Ships & Modules

All these views and no one has the answer?

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Barrak

* and having just read the EvEMon description again, I have another question.

It stats that there is a 100% to reflect 25% NOS. Now, does that mean:

1. I will take the full 100% and then push 25% back to the enemy

or

2. I will take only 75% effect.

I'd imagine that it's no.2 else we'll as I'd end up getting 25% of their NOSing capability back into my cap.

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It's percentage-based, so it affects everything. It's reasonable protection, but cap boosters are usually better with far less fitting cost.

^ this.

It's supposed to be a defensive measure, but if you take full affect and reflect some, there is no defense there.

I would assume you take less % of their intended cap attack, but some proof or confirmation from someone would be nice.

.....And then, how many ships and modules does it counter?

Ok, here's what we do know.

1) Small and micro batteries reflect 15% of a NOS effect or 7.5% of a neut effect.
2) Medium batteries reflect 20% of a NOS effect or 10% of a neut effect.
3) Large batteries reflect 25% of a NOS effect or 12.5% of a neut effect.

By "reflect" it means "inflict cap damage to the initiator of said effect", so when a large battery-equipped ship gets hit with a heavy neut, 87.5% (525) is neutralized from the target while 12.5% (75) is neutralized from the attacker.

If I understand correctly, if that neut were a heavy nos we'd be looking at 25% reflection, which would mean that the target gets drained 75% (90 cap) while the attacker loses 30 of the 90 he would otherwise have gained.

What, to the best of my knowledge, we don't know:

1) Do the effects of multiple batteries stack? If so, is there a stacking penalty of some sort? Is it possible (though stupid) to effectively make a fit invulnerable to cap warfare (even if you couldn't do anything else with it)?

2) What, if anything, do batteries do to NPC neut/nos? We know that the actual reflection part is nominal, but does a battery act as a cap shield at all?

We've seen these questions posed before but I've yet to have seen an answer documented. Clearly, if someone really wants those answers, this needs testing. I'm curious myself, but I haven't had the opportunity or motivation to actually create and analyze proper logs on the test server or otherwise.

Why haven't I -- or anyone else -- bothered? Because the amounts we're looking at are pretty much trivially small. The fitting cost of cap batteries remains silly to the point that opting to use them for their secondary effect would essentially gimp any fit that wasn't already fitting one for its primary effect (ie, increasing total cap capacity).

So yeah. Busy area of the forum or not, no one appears to know because no one seems to want to actually bother with testing something that would only really work on paper anyway.

The thing that concerns me is that these are bounded around as a 'defence' against NOS & Neut. Now, if I take the full effect of their Cap attack, I simply can not see how that is a defence. No more so than me fitting my own NOS/Neut.

The question originally came to me as I was theory crafting a C5 Anom Moros and was trying to work out the benefits from cap boosting through the usual mods to counter heavy neuting vs the defence of 2 Batteries d/reflecting 50% if the incoming cap attack. if they could provide a defence against it, rather than a counter attack, then batteries would be of certain use.

That then posed the question of how many and against how many ships would one battery be.

I am somewhat surprise that CCP can release mods like this with poor descriptions in game without actual explaining how it works. I get the whole 'let the community work it out', but if that is the case then someone would have designed it and would be able to explain it.

Just guess we have to test it.

I'd imagine testing on a NOS would be best as they don't use cap, so if the attacker suddenly lost some cap then we at least know that it gets reflected............ and then we just need to know how many it works against.

Barrak

True in pvp but in PvE and assuming they counter ALL attacks, 4 large batteries would make you inlvulnerable to NOS.

I must say that in PvP it is sort of a defence since even if you still take full capacitor hit, battery (medium or large at least) makes attacker to use more cap to neut you than you will lose to his neuting. That means he may very well cap out himself faster than you, which is exactly what just protecting your cap would do, except that "counterattacking" route will reduce the time 'till the situation reaches its conclusion (while also allowing attacker to notice that something is wrong, increasing piloting factor which isn't a bad thing in this case IMO). Of course twists are added when it comes to PvE or when facing multiple ships when you'd rather last longer oftentimes.

Whether or not it is worth it, in my eyes is entirely down to how it performs against multiple threats and modules.

You can't have the small units performing the same as the larger ones, or even close to them in this case, as it will mean that people only ever load the small ones and not the larger ones.

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