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Trit is worthless?
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Space Therapist
Better Days Ahead
#41 - 2012-09-19 17:46:12 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
ib4chribba

trit is worthless, only veldspar matters.

/c



ha! I knew this post would bring you in to post....I want to make a veldespar rock replica and send it to Chribba...then again he probably has one(sitting below the veldespar poster).

in every room he walks into.

See my bio for rates and services.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-09-19 18:10:06 UTC
Sola Mercury wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Here's a great idea. I mine with a Hulk and an Orca.

I strip and can for a while. When cans are full I put Hulk in Orca and fly the Orca to pick up my cans. Then I get back in my Hulk and start mining again. Easy done.



WOW!
So your Orca is floating emty in space , waiting for the first pilot to get it ?
genius!



How do you think I've got my indy alt Orca? -on market?

No need, there are far too many idiots giving those for free, why would you buy one?

brb
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-09-19 18:30:13 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Sola Mercury wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Here's a great idea. I mine with a Hulk and an Orca.

I strip and can for a while. When cans are full I put Hulk in Orca and fly the Orca to pick up my cans. Then I get back in my Hulk and start mining again. Easy done.



WOW!
So your Orca is floating emty in space , waiting for the first pilot to get it ?
genius!



How do you think I've got my indy alt Orca? -on market?

No need, there are far too many idiots giving those for free, why would you buy one?


You scan them right? They can't be stupid enough to let them float in belt. Well. Maybe...
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#44 - 2012-09-19 21:02:45 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Souisa wrote:
I am not a miner, and i only recently got into manufacturing. But i cant believe the amount of trit and pyer is required. And i cant believe how much space trit and pyer takes up. 12.000m3 worth of trit does not even cover half the amount needed for a battlecruiser. Its a logistics nightmare. I dont blame miners for passing up on veldspar and scordite, and coincidentally having prices rise, because you will quickly end up spending more time traveling back and forth to station than actually mining. If trit and pye for that matter didnt take up so much space i think it would become alot more appealing to mine and haul around

Here's a great idea. I mine with a Hulk and an Orca.

I strip and can for a while. When cans are full I put Hulk in Orca and fly the Orca to pick up my cans. Then I get back in my Hulk and start mining again. Easy done.

If you want to see how this is done just let me know where you mine and I'll show you.

I hope you are not leaving the Orca unpiloted floating in space. People look for those and steal them.

Edit: Lets say you are solo mining Veld, refine locally, then haul the result to a trade hub with a freighter. How many hours of mining does it take to fill the freighter? Answer: Around 30 hours. Compared to that, the 30-60 minutes it takes to do the freighter run to the nearest trade hub is not that big a deal.

If you want to see how this is done just let me know where you mine and I'll show you.

Mighta been a clue ^^^

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#45 - 2012-09-19 21:43:14 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Idris Helion wrote:
Yeah, I've only been mining in eve for like five years, guy.
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You have to factor in hauling costs

What hauling costs? After 5 years you don't own a freighter that costs NOTHING to operate?


Your time genius. It's a cost.

As for your orca, unless it's active on grid, you'd be ebtter mining in a mackinaw and hauling when the ore old is full than using a hulk + orca to haul a few can. If both are in flight at the same time, it's still ebtter to use 2 mackinaw.


ok. i been away 4 months but since when does a mack beat a hulk on rocks ? just use 2 hulks if you can fly 2 ships.

And STOP kiddding yourself about time. if you were serious about time, use that time to make REAL money and convert to ISK.

It's far more effective use of your time if you insist on on factoring time as a cost.

Someone on $45 per hour = 3 x plex - 1.5b per hour. You won't make that mining/hauling or manufacturing - EVER.


Let me help you here Mr know it all.

The bonus a hulk gets in yields is totally killed by the fact you spend time hauling that ore with another ship, be it on another account or the same account.

1 macks beats 1 hulk + hauler on same account. The time spend warping to station and back to get the ahuler then again to come back to mining cost you more what doing a single trip in a mack with it's LARGE ore bay.

2 macks beats 1 hulk + orca hauling with boost while not moving. More strip miner active all the time. The secong account mined exactly 0m3 while hauling and some % because of boost to the hulk while stationary. In that time, the mack mined about 90% of a hulk yield. Might be more.

3 mack slightly beats 2 hulk + orca hauling/boosting. The boost is not yet big enough but it's getting really close.

4 macks does nto beat 3 hulk + orca boosting/hauling. The mining bonus now finally offset the "lost" exhumer cost of having a hauler insetaf of another miner.

Your hauling time affect your isk/hours ALL THE TIME. If you do not see the hauling time as a cost to your isk/hours, you don't know how to count.

No. I think you've got my intent wrong. And besides your setups above are just plain wrong BECAUSE you are playing solo in a co-operative game. THAT in itself SHOULD be a penalty.

I love playing cell-jockey with spreadsheets too but if time is going to calculated then you have much better ways of converting time to isk. Complaining about hauling time as a loss is wrong because there are many options to make it more efficient and at least one option that is totally free.

The free option #1
Given that this is a co-operative platform, a rookie recruit would cost you nothing and most rookies would be happy to haul. They can't mine so it's not one ounce of lost production. All ya gotta do is speak nice and be attentive to their needs.

The free option #2
Get outta bed earlier in the morning and put in some overtime. You can split hairs on this if you like but if you have production targets, ya just gotta put in the effort.

The most effective.
Get off yer butt, make $100 in RL (which you can't do playing games) and convert to PLEX. $100 RM is what, 3 billion ISK? Now compare how much time mining/hauling/faffing you'd need to do to make 3 billion.

If you insist on playing solo.
Ramp up and get yourself an Orca pilot skilled up. I had 4 Hulks and an Orca on grid some days.

And one thing I did do was mine with an alt that could also fly an Itty 3. Every half hour or so he'd put the Hulk in the Orca, switch to the Itty and empty out to station. Orca and 3 Hulks always stayed on grid. I reckon I lost maybe 1m of production a day doing that. The Itty pilot was maxed with an extra Michii implant to make up for "lost time".

But let's face it and this is my real beef here.....

I USED to be an a-retentive miner/indy nutcase. I worked out I've got better uses for my TIME - and that's to use my GAME to have some FUN. The key word is GAME.

Whinging about time lost playing a game is well, a bit of an oxymoron Blink

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-09-19 22:40:56 UTC
There needs to be some sort of licence for posting in these forums.

Paraphrase -

"If mining for trit and pyerite was easier, we'd all make a lot more money".

Answer: No... you wouldn't. Supply and demand. Do you not understand what game you are playing?

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-09-19 23:24:24 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:

No. I think you've got my intent wrong. And besides your setups above are just plain wrong BECAUSE you are playing solo in a co-operative game. THAT in itself SHOULD be a penalty.

I love playing cell-jockey with spreadsheets too but if time is going to calculated then you have much better ways of converting time to isk. Complaining about hauling time as a loss is wrong because there are many options to make it more efficient and at least one option that is totally free.

The free option #1
Given that this is a co-operative platform, a rookie recruit would cost you nothing and most rookies would be happy to haul. They can't mine so it's not one ounce of lost production. All ya gotta do is speak nice and be attentive to their needs.

The free option #2
Get outta bed earlier in the morning and put in some overtime. You can split hairs on this if you like but if you have production targets, ya just gotta put in the effort.

The most effective.
Get off yer butt, make $100 in RL (which you can't do playing games) and convert to PLEX. $100 RM is what, 3 billion ISK? Now compare how much time mining/hauling/faffing you'd need to do to make 3 billion.

If you insist on playing solo.
Ramp up and get yourself an Orca pilot skilled up. I had 4 Hulks and an Orca on grid some days.

And one thing I did do was mine with an alt that could also fly an Itty 3. Every half hour or so he'd put the Hulk in the Orca, switch to the Itty and empty out to station. Orca and 3 Hulks always stayed on grid. I reckon I lost maybe 1m of production a day doing that. The Itty pilot was maxed with an extra Michii implant to make up for "lost time".

But let's face it and this is my real beef here.....

I USED to be an a-retentive miner/indy nutcase. I worked out I've got better uses for my TIME - and that's to use my GAME to have some FUN. The key word is GAME.

Whinging about time lost playing a game is well, a bit of an oxymoron Blink


Random fun fact.

My numbers are still right if each ship are run by different players in a "co-operative" way.

There is just more isk total to be made by mining in macks than in hulk up to 3 hulk with boost where the hulks start to pull away. This has been discussed to death already since the barge exhumer change. If you want to go against these numbers, then the corp as a whole or the multiboxer loose money in the end.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-09-20 05:45:25 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
LOL at all the talk about cost and opportunity cost by people who are wasting time playing a computer game. $ gets you ISK, but you can't turn ISK into $ folks. Reality check. Play EvE for fun, not everything is about maximizing profit in a fictional currency.

Some people like their space economy simulator and they're having fun with perfecting their grasp on such things though...

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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