EVE General Discussion

THIS is the point of contention and has been explained by many others. Ridicule/humiliate is plain wrong as a term UNLESS you happen to be 1, the victim, 2 a highsec indy player. For everybody else, Eve IS a PvP centric game based around death, destruction, misery and the freighter kill is GOOD and publiscizing it to bring in more looney, crazy wild boy pilots is also GOOD. What's CCP gonna do? Show everyone holding hands singing Kumbaya in 1.0 to bring in new punters? How do you qualify show death and destruction w/o a KM? CCP can make vids and claim "actual footage used" but to a sceptical, hard-to-please gaming world it means little. A KM gives it providence. Turning grown men into quivering heaps of jelly is Eve. htfu.

Some interesting points Touval, a little narrow minded and you have a bias towards PVP, death, destruction. I dont have a problem with this. Maybe we should get the devs to remove all NON PVP roles in the game. Based on your view it would appear that there is no mining, industry, missions, politics as we are all too busy with PVP and if we are not PVPing there must be something wrong with us.

In your words "CCP can make vids and claim "actual footage used" but to a sceptical, hard-to-please gaming world it means little. A KM gives it providence". Question is - Do any other organisations use the misfortune of the clients *without client approval" to advertise their products?

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As I explain to people (because people come to me saying "hey, that guy that was killed in Libya, the news says he played that game you play"), this game is all about killing other people's ships. You play chess to checkmate someone else. You play Eve to blow up someone elses ship. if you can't do that, then you take measures to keep from being blown up. (evidently you have more options than Chess).

I also explain that there are people who come to the game thinking it's going to be happy fairy land and they get smacked down hard.

In light of the recent news, a fundraiser for VR exceeded initial expectations. The same player base that would gank you in two seconds can also be charitable - there have been PLEX drives over previous incidents.

So what does this mean?

It means that this is just a game and armies of darkness are not going to march over the face of the earth (at least not BECAUSE of this game).


Now, regarding the FB post: was the real name and personal info of the player made public?

Are our in-game characters public or are they private?

Do we, playing an MMO, and pertaining to matters of our characters in game, have an expectation of privacy?


See how that works?

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And the players of any MMO should be concerned when their host company starts talking about console games because that's always a sign that you - yes you - are about to be sold out and left to wither away on the vine.

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There are three kinds of people playing EvE now:
- Online sadists, unable to act their sociopathy IRL, or afraid of consequences
- Masochists, seeking a kind of punishment they cannot directly retaliate against
- Gamers loving sandbox sci-fi games and waiting for a new one where devs will actually take measures so it stays a game, and people don't go to the toilet in the sandbox.

A recent post by CCP on Facebook shared a link to a killboard kill. The loss a 22bil freighter, to a empire suicide gank using 6 T1 battlecruisers. It would appear that CCP marketing think its a good thing to humiliate a player via facebook. It should be noted that it’s not allowed to post killboard links in the official forums. Double standards is not new to CCP and maybe the continual decline in player numbers is causing them to resort to desperate measures to market the game.

CCP have locked threads, containing a kill board links in their official forums where posting is restricted to “paying” members however they are happy to not only endorse the humiliation of a player in public , but use this as a marketing tool.

I would question why CCP would sanction such a move. Are they now telling everyone that in 3 months you and a few mates can have the skills to cause someone to suffer such a loss? Are they now telling everyone that 3 month old alts can fund their game play with a little empire suicide ganking if they get lucky. Maybe they been taking lessons from the Goon Marketing Department, we know how much they just love to publicly humiliate other players.

I was told some time ago that creating disposable suicide alt accounts was not allowed and bans could be applied. Let’s do the sums for a suicide alt: Skills, 3 Months Plex and some ships. Cost £3bil. Income £10-20 bil before sec status hits -5 or CCP take action. Delete account, start again. No Risk, High Reward.

It would it appear to me that CCP are no longer marketing a game that used to be based on strategy, skills, risk, planning to one of quick and easy wins, no risk and little skill, otherwise known as console gaming and I wonder why? How much have CCP risked on Dust? In order for Eve to work with Dust are we going to dumb down Eve? Will skill points, experience, planning and large scale team work no longer matter.

Looks to me like CCP has lost its love of Eve in favour of the mass market that console games can access. Question is should Dust fail what impact will it have on Eve? Wonder how long before CCP offer cheat codes and vanity items become more than a just a pair of boots.

Maybe your misfortune will be CCP's next victim in CCP humiliation of their paying members, thats how much they value you.

So, following CCP's lead, I have sold my Capital BPO's and I have taken down my POS's. I have 3 suicide alts in training. Will share my success / failure at Xmas.

There are three kinds of people playing EvE now:
- Online sadists, unable to act their sociopathy IRL, or afraid of consequences
- Masochists, seeking a kind of punishment they cannot directly retaliate against
- Gamers loving sandbox sci-fi games and waiting for a new one where devs will actually take measures so it stays a game, and people don't go to the toilet in the sandbox.

Well,****... I thought playing Eve was humiliating enough...

HKO? Is that the game where people don't equip themselves to survive the big,bad people outside of their house when they go to mine for minerals and expect the developers to save them?

Oh wait...