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Incoming heavy missile nerf and how you plan to handle it.
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OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2012-10-16 13:28:27 UTC  |  Edited by: OldWolf69
Melina Lin wrote:
Sergi Arro wrote:
A 20% damage reduction is pretty significant.

Yes it is and they will nerf the T3 hull too. They will nerf it hard. Lol

Quoting CCP Ytterbium: " Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line."

Entertaining times ahead.

Why not a single ship for every Race in game? And a single weapon? Kills doable only by treason and awox? Then there will be all in " the Line" of CCP Ytterbium. And Eve will die. Why would someone play and pay for a game wich has all the awesome things remowed? Why would a Machariel exist, if there's a much weaker Bantam, wich makes the famous pirate bs seem to be "out of line"? Why would be there a Sandbox if we can have a line?
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CCP Ytterbium, i love you. You and all the wonderfull straigt Nerds wich make this game more awesome as it ever was.
Attlo
The Archaeus Initiative
#102 - 2012-10-18 03:20:45 UTC
Although HML's do require some sort of change it really does seem that the same idiot that thought up the new unified inventory is working on these changes.

For me just means months of training wasted and have to start all over again.

Also seems CCP is turning into a company that just doesn't bother listening to its clients which is a real shame since it is one great game.
Charlie Jacobson
#103 - 2012-10-21 17:37:07 UTC
I was already sick of the travel time on missiles. This nerf is just the nudge I needed to start switching to projectiles or sentry drones. I'm quite clueless and bad, so I'm sure my fits will end up being terrible, but I'm thinking of switching to either Dominix or Maelstrom for L4s in the not-too-distant future.

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#104 - 2012-10-22 04:26:24 UTC
BearJews wrote:
I really don't understand the need to nerf Heavy Missiles. That system just BLOWs when you aint blobbing in Pvp.



Nulltrash and their wannabes cried about getting blobbed by other nulltrash's Drake fleets.

CCP is embracing a new paradigm of listening to whinge-babies.

EVE gets just that bit dumber and easier so they can whore more subs from the theme park crowd.

Fullstop, end-of, nothing more to see here.

Ni.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#105 - 2012-10-22 06:44:08 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
BearJews wrote:
I really don't understand the need to nerf Heavy Missiles. That system just BLOWs when you aint blobbing in Pvp.



Nulltrash and their wannabes cried about getting blobbed by other nulltrash's Drake fleets.

CCP is embracing a new paradigm of listening to whinge-babies.

EVE gets just that bit dumber and easier so they can ***** more subs from the theme park crowd.

Fullstop, end-of, nothing more to see here.


Actually what happened is that CCP took a look at usage stats and saw that Drake and Tengu are the most used ships in both PVP and PVE by a massive margin, took a look at reasons why, and saw that heavy missiles had 20% more dps than other medium-size long range weapons and wanted to balance them, but crybaby carebears and Drakeblobbers started a whinestorm and threatened to unsub, which forced CCP to water down their balancing efforts, leaving heavy missiles still overpowered.

Drakeblobbers and whining carebears didn't notice the other missile buffs, because they don't have a faintest idea how numbers or this game works, they just want to drool, press F1 and receive bacon in the exact fit they got from their FC or copied from Battleclinic.


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Klaus Hammilton
M.S.A.E.
#106 - 2012-11-24 19:21:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Klaus Hammilton
Actually if you take a look at the buffs those are mostly pointless, a bit boost to hitting smaller targets? With my tengu on main I have explosion radius reduced by 90% through rigs implants and skills, this ultimately puts exp radius of the scourge fury to 21m in other words would hit even smallest immobile ship for full damage, only problem there is the fast moving frigs that go down in 3-4 salvo-s, that's it for everything bigger than elite frig in pve you apply full damage, if you take a look now at HAM-s you cannot reduce exp radius with rigs nor reduce the velocity fact of the ships through the same methods, this means that you have to put at least 2tp-s and a weber to be able to apply dps to elite ships smaller than BC.

As a result I think that Tengu HAM with extended range and 100MN fit will replace the current tengu, but pve tengu will just vanish.
The 2bil fit is just not worth that 500dps. Since Sleeper stuff is used to build t3 hulls it will probably hit WH ppl from financial side as well.

Probably there will be larger sale for cruise fitted golems with a single TP, it should be able to hit even frigs just as well as HM-s do now.

As for my self If even hull gets nerfed I just put away tengu and get much with AC probably. Or see how difficult it is to do lvl 4s with 800dps rattlesnake (which by the way is well under 1 bil including fit and rigs)
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-11-24 19:58:18 UTC
Well the drake takes a double hit if the new AI has rats attacking light drones. Tengu not so much its fast and can move into short range fast.
Klaus Hammilton
M.S.A.E.
#108 - 2012-11-24 22:17:41 UTC
In my opinion Drake was never a good pve ship, it has superb tank but dps was always too low for me now its just a brick I guess.
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-11-26 14:00:25 UTC
Wait, so even after the nerf they still have the best damage, best range, easiest fitting, cost no Cap and don't suffer from tracking issues nearly as bad as the next best Medium sized Long Range weapons systems? On top of there being so many Missile ships with amazing bonuses?

Wow, i never realized how strong Heavies were.Shocked
Krom Thomson
Jumpbridg
#110 - 2012-12-05 20:46:18 UTC
Gal'o Sengen wrote:
Wait, so even after the nerf they still have the best damage, best range, easiest fitting, cost no Cap and don't suffer from tracking issues nearly as bad as the next best Medium sized Long Range weapons systems? On top of there being so many Missile ships with amazing bonuses?

Wow, i never realized how strong Heavies were.Shocked

well now they get no rang no dps and can't be use for **** well 10 months of eve down the shitter