Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You'll have the Caracal, but with these changes you will be pushing T1 frigate DPS against stationary non-TD fitted large targets -- less or much less against something smaller or moving. If the idea of an "attack cruiser" pushing 1 hundred DPS against a frigate sounds interesting, then this is the boat for you. If you go with light missiles you will have what looks on paper to be a decent frigate killer, until you realize that you have no drones, no neuts, and no DPS. You'll be able to tickle frigates from range and die to them if they get close. Few people fly these things today -- they certainly won't post nerf.

This change I would probably go with in addition to the current changes, it makes no sense that HAMs which are short range are harder to fit.

That would be like making it easier to fit beam lasers than pulse.

at any rate, this still leaves the drake and tengu hopelessly overpowered

the HAM bonus is an amaarian thing

this still leaves the drake and tengu hopelessly overpowered, most people dont use the T2 missiles anyway cause theyre utter crap

While this is a good work around, the problem is that it still only effects your ship. What defender missiles really need to do is defend your allies, you should just be able to keep the missile pods cycling and when a missile is launched against anyone youre blue to, and is in range, the defender should auto launch and attack the offending missile.

This would create point defense ships as another role in the fleet, the problem is that the number of calculations this would require would cook the servers.

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This change I would probably go with in addition to the current changes, it makes no sense that HAMs which are short range are harder to fit.

That would be like making it easier to fit beam lasers than pulse.

at any rate, this still leaves the drake and tengu hopelessly overpowered

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The HAM bonus is an amaarian thing

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this still leaves the drake and tengu hopelessly overpowered, most people dont use the T2 missiles anyway cause theyre utter crap

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While this is a good work around, the problem is that it still only effects your ship. What defender missiles really need to do is defend your allies, you should just be able to keep the missile pods cycling and when a missile is launched against anyone youre blue to, and is in range, the defender should auto launch and attack the offending missile.

This would create point defense ships as another role in the fleet, the problem is that the number of calculations this would require would cook the servers.

What I propose:
1. Swap HAM and Heavy fittings. This will bring missiles in-line with other weapon systems. Rockets are easier to fit than light missiles, blasters are easier to fit than rails, HAMs should be easier to fit than Heavies. I feel that this is reasonable because close-range ships need additional fitting room for tanking modules, and with medium-sized missiles it's currently bass-ackwards. Various adjustments may need to be made to the ships themselves such as grid or CPU tweaks, but I stand behind this change.

2. Missile disruptors - you already have these in game. If you're going to nerf the damage and range of heavy missiles, please consider the consequences of leaving defenders as they are in PvE. However in PvP, there is currently no real option for missile disruption as, frankly, defenders suck and need addressing. There have been several good proposals so far on this topic, but here's my take: Either fix defenders, or remove them and add in a new missile disruptor module. Give it to Gallente or Minmatar ewar ships. At the very least, if you're set on adding this effect to tracking disruptors, make them require a special script to effect missile ships, perhaps even separate range and explosion velocity scripts. I feel that adding this effect to TDs puts too much ewar power in Amarr ships though (which are already fantastic in their roles), and this is a wonderful opportunity to fix Gallente's weak ewar ships.

3. Look at the ships themselves! Obviously you already are, but consider how terrible all of the other ships in EVE that primarily have to use medium missiles are - ships such as the Caracal and Caldari faction cruisers, the Damnation and Nighthawk, and the Lachesis. Also, consider that there are a lot of ships that have missile hardpoints and spare highslots, and already don't generally opt to use missiles in them - ships like the Rupture, Cyclone, Stabber, Curse, Ferox (it got an extra turret though), Bellicose, Blackbird, Moa, Vagabond, Muninn, and perhaps others I've missed. Even ships like the Lachesis which have a bonus to both hybrids and missiles tend to ignore their missiles. I fear that these hardpoints, which are already overlooked, will become more than useless.

I've noticed (what is to me) a disturbing trend for CCP to tie weapon systems very closely to ships and take away fitting variation - things like giving the Ferox and Moa another hardpoint instead of making missiles actually valuable in its spare highslots. When Minmatar ships were not doing so well, CCP opted to boost autocannons rather than improve supplementary damage systems in their ships. This is obviously a perfectly valid way to improve these ships, but the result is that every cruiser has 5 turrets and every BC has 7 turrets and all of them fit only the weapon systems in their highslots that they're bonused for. Please consider at least trying to make missiles a valid supplementary weapon system.

So we should ruin a GREAT ship because YOU are bored? Instead of being proactive let's go backward and turn the bloody Hurricane into an Omen: Stupid.



Hmmm... The problem with your game is you. Not the game. But hey... you "BLLLEEETT" loud enough like all the other sheep the devs will change the sandbox for you.

Cheap tengu in missions with hml's is pushing 500dps+/- depending on fitting. Much more dps with hams. Problem with hams is range. Chasing targets in a mission to apply damage takes a long time. Instead of neutering hml's, why not buff other weapons and ammo to match? I've always wished a loki or legion or proteus performed like a tengu in missions.

If it comes down to chasing targets in a ham tengu, or **** hml dps in a tengu after nerf, ill just sell the tengu and go back to a rigorraven.

Nerfing for reasons of pvp balance affects pve as well. Nerf the tengu when you finally release a tech 3 battlecruiser or battleship.

Well, since they killed my thread that had a good suggest, I guess I'll spam my suggested change until it catches hold and someone notices.

So, with ALL PRECISION MISSILES swap their ranges so that precision becomes long range and fury becomes shorter range.

This is on par with every other weapon system in game.

So, with this change, then the drake and cane would be on par in range and dps when comparing them in a weapon and ammo comparison