Player Features and Ideas Discussion

this post summarizes several solutions to the drake/tengu problem that do not include breaking heavy missiles:

1.
- reduce heavy missile flight time
- switch CPU and power grid requirements of HMLs and HAMLs

2.
- reduce heavy missile flight time
- remove one launcher slot from the drake
- make both drake and tengu's range bonuses apply only to HAMs

3.
- reduce heavy missile flight time
- switch rage and precision ranges

4.
- reduce heavy missile flight time
- change the way defender missiles work in a way that makes them useful without causing server lag (for example change the mechanic to be a hardcoded extra tank that only helps against missile damage while keeping the client side missile animation).

none of these require awkward tinkering with tracking enhancers and none of these of these will make tracking disruptors mandatory in small scale pvp.

Nerf everything plz!!!

Cant wait for the new bump dmg to leave eve

Actually no, I do not think CCP has a plan for the other missile boats.

The POINT of this HM change is to reduce lag inducing missile spam in fleet engagements. That's fewer objects their servers need to track the happier things run. The point is to break missiles and replace them with some new non-missile FOTM.

For Caldari pilots, well, it pretty much sucks to be you. But this is nothing new. After this change you will have a couple decent frigates -- but of these even the already anemic damage rocket boats are going to get creamed once TD's become the new must-have tanking module.

You'll have the Caracal, but with these changes you will be pushing T1 frigate DPS against stationary non-TD fitted large targets -- less or much less against something smaller or moving. If the idea of an "attack cruiser" pushing 1 hundred DPS against a frigate sounds interesting, then this is the boat for you. If you go with light missiles you will have what looks on paper to be a decent frigate killer, until you realize that you have no drones, no neuts, and no DPS. You'll be able to tickle frigates from range and die to them if they get close. Few people fly these things today -- they certainly won't post nerf.

Everything I said above applies to the Navy Caracal as well, except in a much more expensive package. It'll be like buying a Fererri with a honda civic engine.

The Cerberus is currently something of a joke and this change will make it more so. The one neet (but generally useless) trick it can do is lobbing underpowered missiles across the galaxy. They wont kill anything of course, but they are annoying. After this change this will go away. Shorter range, lower damage, still no tank, expensive loss mail, and a company with no stated plans to address this.

The Nighthawk, under this change, goes from fail to epic fail. Fly this if you want people to laugh at you.

The Cruise Raven is obviously rarely used. It's a BS that does T1 cruiser DPS -- but only to large targets. The Torp Raven is, again, rarely used as there is basically no reason to do so. The same applies with the Navy Raven in either fitting -- it's just an expensive loss mail.

Like I said, if you are a Caldari missile pilot it sucks to be you (and if you are a Caldari Hybrid pilot what the hell are you thinking?). It's not like this is news. CCP has been F$%^ing Caldari PvP pilots for years. Train another race or cancel.

the dampener argument is flawed because damps won't do you any good if your target is fast enough or warps in close enough. all forms of ewar should have their drawbacks, the drawback of TDs is their impotence against missiles.

I'm fishing for comments, but would someone please rate my suggestion on missile changes..

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1945264#post1945264

heavy missiles are already broken though

Believe me, Lillu knows this, seeing as he fits TDs to everything already

This kind of action is typical of a cradle to grave society. Punish the successful rather than looking into how to make others perform better.

This will basically make Caldari ships useless in any fleet, except for EWAR boats which is probably in the pipe as everyone bitches about it as well.

There are already counters for both drakes and tengus. Stop being lazy people and figure out how to use the thousands of Mods to counter them yourselves.

Tinfoil hat ON: It is just a CCP counter to the CFC as they use these two ship doctrines with great success. And CCP sees the CFC as a threat to something? Not sure, but its out there...Tinfoil hat OFF.

Just had a thought.


Ok, so...

Use my proposed missile change

I.E. precision becomes long range, and fury becomes short range, which is the same as every other weapon system (greater range = reduced dps)

Then, reduce drake recharge rate so that it can't fit a passive shield tank. (will will reduce it's EHP)


Then, take the tengu and reduce its power and cpu so that it can't fit as much tank and/or a 100mn afterburner, and reduce the range bonus of the tengu.


This will either reduce tengu dps, or tengu tank depending on what you'd prefer to lose/gain.

Now, if you took my suggested change, then a tengu at all skill lvl 5 built with my pvp fit(max dps)
I would still get the same dps out of it that I do now, only

I would have 465 dps at max range possible range with precision, and fury would become the range that precision is now with 687 dps.

So, 465 at we'll say 80 kms and 687 at, we'll say 56km.

I support this idea. 1 ewar module to counter all turrets/launchers is overpowered.