Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If there are such missions, they probably need to be changed and will be. In the meantime, how about just fly some other missions that don't have these kinds of NPCs? One particular kind of missions is hardly a factor for designing a weapons system.

To be fair, until this topic he has been doing quite a good job, and upon writing this topic, the stuff people are debating about is just "an unreasonable change", not "Something I should unsubscribe over and want not to exist in any shape or form".

The issues are such:

-Hurricane can't armor tank well with these changes. It should be changed so it can shield tank and get the neuts on there as well (having only like 30k tank with shields), or get its big armor tank as well without the neuts. (Previously you could get 55k tank with armor, 2 neuts, and a full rack of 220s which is where it got a bit ridiculous)

-Heavy missile damage nerf is too much, bring it down to 10% minimum

-Buff HAMs, they suck too much, thats why everyone gravitates to Heavy missiles, please increase their damage or explosion velocity, or something of the sort.

-This one's debatable, but: TDs don't need to affect missiles, the nature of missiles is different than gunnery platforms, and should stay that way. Otherwise, TDs become too overpowered. Just because heavy missiles are useful doesnt mean all missile types should be screwed over. As well, just because the drake and tengu are OP using heavy missiles doesnt mean heavy missile have to be nerfed, making other ships that use heavy missiles useless in every way.

I hate to tell you this but the mechanics used by npcs is rather different to that used by players (same with ecm or indeed with things like torps that guristas can hit you with from 100k away). The stats and effects of npcs are in no way effected by module changes so its perfectly possible there will be no difference at all. Or ccp might go an change the npcs effects just to get tears ...

CCP Foozie you are getting some major love with this bomb you dropped on EVE yesterday. While I don't agree with all your proposed changes for the HM system I like the general ideas behind it. As to the people that are saying this DEV has no prior knowledge of the game you are sorely misinformed. I think until these are put on the test server to properly test we can only speculate on how they will preform. Keep up the good work on all the rebalancing you guys are doing and be prepared for more love mail from the unwashed masses.

People have adapted to many changes in EVE and there has never been a SP reimbursement. This Change will not make any skill you trained unusable only changes how items work. If you need further reference please ask all the Nano pilots if they got there skill points back when they nerfed that.

Thanks

I have said earlier (month ago) that TD affecting missiles is a very bad idea! But CCP is working on it. I played EVE more than 4 years. I know the arrogant devs of CCP! They never listened to me or other players. They WILL bring this crap online. Perhaps they will play dumb and will apology and promise fast patches...
After 6 more month they will bring another crappatch to resolve 10% of the concerns. BUt in the end they will force this sh!t to us. All I can do is cancel my subscription.. after 4 years and the second nerf concerning missiles!

Kill a frigate, or another bc

Will your skills still allow you to use missiles and the only Missile that is getting nerfed is the HM so yes its a pretty even skill train match up. Heavy Missile V High Speed Maneuvering V don't see how this is all that different.

I am new player so you can consider me to be noob.What is funny I didnt know that this much older players didnt read initial post and tried to understand it.

Only issue here is TDs.There must not be EWAR like that cause it will be overused and must for any pvp.Other than that I dont see problem.

We dont even know what ship bonuses will new BCs have.We dont know how will Caladri HAC look in future.What we know from this post that we will get HAMS as new viable platform.
You can check Caracal proposed changes +ROF +Range for HAMS and other modules he will use.You can see that ship will get +2 L slots so guess what is that for?With TC scrip that is affecting sig radius HAMS will get what you always wanted ,they will be able to hit smaller targets.What is even better you can change scripts during fight if you want better range.So where is problem.

I have Tengu pilot and I am not afraid of this changes at all,I never even needed 110 km range on that ship.It was to much anyway.We that used that ship must admit it was not ok that we could apply same dmg from 0 to 100 km.Now we will need to change fits and that is what makes eve interesing.

For me this is only range nerf in trade to great dps in mid range ,and it is to early to say any more cause we dont know any about new ship bonuses that will be announced .

And please dont write crap about unsubing cause this is starting to look like miner tears treads about hulkagedon.

65 pages, i so do not envy the CCP Fozzie for having through look through all of this to find the good comments..

I really do hope they don't back down on their changes just because people are afraid of having their **** nerfed.

Especially since the TE/TC changes more than make up for it on most missile ships really...

You missed that TD will affect Missiles. THIS in combination with defenders and smartbombs leads to a destruction of missiles as a whole weapon system! A system which is already NOT the best at PvP. Just to balance two ships, a unknowledged DEV destroys all missiles?