Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP Fozzie many changes you have done are nice changes, like new cruisers or some frigates, but I don't like some of those new changes that affect missiles.

I think that a nerf in the heavy missiles range is a good decision, like to nerf a little the hurricane fitting, because it was easier to fit and better in ehp that a harbi, i don't know if the pw nerf is more than it should, because i can't see it in the eft or the pyfa now.

But , the reason why I post that is because i don't like the dps change of the Heavy missiles, and that the Tracking Disruptor can now affect missiles like they can be used against turrets.

First i think a 20% nerf in the dps is a lot, if you think that Heavy Missiles are to powerfull and people must use more HAM nerf as much HM dps a 10% but not more, a 20% is a lot of change, i think it ll be better to nerf a 5 or 10% HM dps and put a 5% bonus to HAM, but don't do a 20% dps nerf, that's annoying.

I like your idea to improve the range, and the explosion radius and the explosion velocity with modules like you can do with turrets using the tracking comuter, or the tracking enhancer, but that need a new module, not the same that use turrets.

And i think the same to use "tracking disruptor" change the tracking disruptor to a "weapon disruptor", and put 2 modules to choose "Missile disruptor" and "tracking disruptor" if you think that missiles should be able to be disrupted, and then like using ECM for Radar, Ladar, Gravimetric, and Magnetometric playes sould chouse what kind of weapons they need to disrupt, and the second thing ccp must do is to nerf TD and some EW, an example is that something like a Tracking Computer must defend better your ship agains a TD, or all the EW must have a chance to affect the enemy like the ECM

Summarizing, if something like tracking comuters and TD should be use in, or agains missile ships please develop new modules to improve your weapons, or to use like a TD, but don't join all in the same package, CCP must do it well, and not an abotched job.

To be honest i have no problem with a mod having an effect like they want tds to have on missiles. The real issue is having it effect turrets and missiles with a single mod, bit fail have a 1 mod owns ewar after all the nerfing that has gone into ecm.

Make a guidance scrambler mod that has the same effect you are wanting the tds to have and then give the amarr ships an additional bonus for it OR give it to the minmatar as their ewar type and turn target painters into what you currently want tracking computers to be (buffing missile effect but only for the owning ship).

ham drake up to 599dps vs AC cane 633 up to around 700

hml drake around 495 dps vs ARTY cane around 361 dps

The cerberus has a max effective weapon range of 170ish km
The cerberus has a max targeting range of 100ish km

As a Long Range sniper, if CANNOT apply webifier affects, or warp disruption affects
To get its maximum range it requires either a local Sensor Booster sacrificing a tanking/AB slot, or a remote boost sacrificing another dps ship in fleet


re:Drone Control Range
Base range -- +20km
Scout Drone Op -- +25km
ECM drone op -- +21km

Drone Link II -- +24km each (normaly 1, occasionally 2)
66km without links
90km with 1 link
114km with 2 links

as targets are usually grouped in clumps, applying that dps isnt really much of an issue after the initial travel delay.


infact drones have a lot in common with missiles
Travel time to target
Can be shot at en route
Can be smart bombed


So yeah ok, go ahead and nerf my 400dps Cerberus to oblivion.
Dont come crying to me, when your 800dps Ishtar is crippled back into the stoneage.

To get a word in before another 10 pages of s***posting, I like the idea of some of these changes but not all.

I love the idea of Tracking disruptors affecting missiles, despite people complaining that the word 'tracking' is somehow breaking immersion, but that's an easy fix. This will bring on a whole new realm of solo PVP iterating on the Ancillary shield boosters etc which has been needed for too long. This may cause the module to be too widely used as 'the new ECM' but i'd be willing to make the mistake and see what happens.

The double Nerf to Heavy missiles seems harsh to me at current stats especially as mentioned to such ships as the Caracal and Cerberus who sorely need love to become useful with current game mechanics.
The Tengu needs a Nerf and maybe the drake needs to become less versatile but overall i've seen too many goon Drakes die in a fire over the last few months to think them overpowered. These latter two ships seem to be the root of this problem despite me being a drake lover from birth.
It is all too easy to mitigate missile damage with speed, sig radius and/or smartbombs unlike turrets which have no hard fleet wide counter assuming good planning and tactics, and it has taken many years of patches for these few Caldari ships to finally become common in pvp.

Lastly i think this Minmatar artillery buff is good at heart but flawed in essence.
Minmatar weaponry maybe less effective on paper than other similar sized variants but in practice alpha beats dps at range and having cap-less guns is a massive advantage and similar to missiles being able to pick 3/4 pure damage types.
Making these even easier to fit seems to me like a fatal mistake.

The Hurricane falls in the same category as the Drake and Tengu in that it is too versatile, and also in the same light too good at a certain particular role ie solo Autocannons with neuts etc.
Honestly i still believe this is a fault of minmatar weaponry over the ship itself being too good but lets see what happens during testing.

-Anah-

A drake with perfect HML skills can now be tanked by a single rep myrm until the myrm runs out of cap boosters.

Which is exactly as it should be.
Beam Harbinger, Rail Brutix and Artycane arent exactly dps monsters too.

And HAM Drake will be even better post HM nerf.

A Rail Brutix/Beam Harbinger with perfect gunnery skills can still be tanked by a single rep myrm until the myrm runs out of cap boosters.


Fit Heavy Assault Missiles. But wait....you need to get closer to your victims.

Heavy Missiles are not a close range, high DPS platform.

They are just like artillery/rails/beams in that they are high alpha low DPS.

What do you mean I have to make choices? I can't have tank, range, sustained damage and alpha damage in one ship anymore?