Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is the single most elitist comment I've seen in this thread. Ok, so you don't have to take transversal into account in missile ships. That can give you more freedom for evasive manuevers, trying to throw off the other guy's attempts to decrease his transversal as much as possible. By falling into the "All missile users are braindead draek pilots who don't know how to do anything but press f1 and orbit" trap, you label an entire population based on a few people.

Also: HMLs are NOT on par with artillery in terms of damage. DPS maybe, but artillery does facerippingly large volley damage. The only one they'll be close to on Drakes and Caracals is probably going to be railguns, or at least between railguns and beams; the fact that they're near railguns means they're approaching "broken and useless" territory.

and you see, fun fact:
Those missile boats most talked about here don't have that luxury if you look at those numbers being thrown around up till now:
They are all for the ONE bonused dmg type.

Shot with anything else and look at the numbers again.
That would be 25% less base damage, 5% LESS as the proposed "patch" for HMs will bring - but wait, those 20% will hit the unbonused damage types too...

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I`m a bit surprised at how hard the heavy missiles are being nerfed. The range nerf is needed, and very welcome. Even a DPS nerf seems like a good idea, but the current amount seems like far too much to me.

Seems like just a short while ago there were devposts about how the balance team wanted to take things slow, so as not to make ships useless. I`m not saying that the changes discussed in this thread will do anything of the sort, but it is a very heavy-handed change to target ships like drakes and tengus. This patch will affect other ships with already low DPS, like the Cerberus and the Nighthawk. As much as I'm sure many of us would love to see the drake blob fade from popularity, decreasing the DPS on an entire weapon subset to deal with balance issues on two ships is too extreme.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the combined reduction of damage from heavy missiles as well as the TD/TE change seems like too much. What would be the disadvantage of keeping all of the other changes, and changing the DPS reduction to half of what is currently proposed? You'll hear very few people complain about taking the slower route to fix this, especially in the high-DPS environment of the Tier 3 battlecruisers.

Either way it goes though, all the attention on balance has been excellent lately. Way to go, CCP Fozzie and team. You guys are the best.

Sig radius actually has the same weight as tracking in the chance to hit formula for turrets.

I think destroying Caldari in PVP is a good idea but you should add a 90% reduction in the effectiveness of ECM to go along with it, and perhaps a SP Refund so players can out of the sinking Caldari ship.

So you're more or less saying that because nobody ever uses the other long range weapon types, they shouldn't be buffed at all?


"Feel free to compare the Caracal to something that doesn't exist whatsoever".

Uh, sure?

Sure, let's compare at the edge of point range: 40km.

-Liang

Instead of fixing what isnt broken...

Why not address the fact that Faction Wars have completely crashed the market on 90% of items available in the LP stores....

Concentrate on REAL game mechanic problems instead of turning 6 months of training time into a complete waste of time simply because pvpers are crying that one of the ships in the game is supposedly OP because it does decent DPS at a decent range...... oh wait, yea thats right, just like the broken mechanics of the Tier 3 battcruisers that do battleship damage from 150km away.

My point is that even the newly boosted ships with long range weapons don't compare to today's non-boosted Caracal with HML.

-Liang

You might be able to cram on some HAMs after the caracal pg boost but you still won't be able to take advantage of guided missile precision or explosion radius/velocity rigs, which is ludicrous. You're going to need to use extra lo/mid slots to bring HAM dps into line with the current HM dps on anything smaller than a BC. Sounds fun :/