Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You sir, have crap fitting skills.

I'll make a separate post when we're ready to discuss it again, but it's definitely not going to be included in the first major Retri point release. Still too soon to completely gauge the impact of the missile changes.

Yeah heavy missile damage nerf was over the top. The range nerf is fine though.

HAM Drake sure. Was never big on Drakes to begin with though, it's a boring ship, so very much of it is either passive or turned on and left on. The only thing you ever watch is that you don't cap out leaving an MWD on when you shouldn't.

As for the buffed light missiles against a linked AB dram, that's a pretty specific reference to a single situation and is hardly a case for buffing light missiles further, if it didn't work before AND still doesn't then you're no worse off in that situation and you're still better off in basically any other situation that comes up. We shouldn't make lights overpowered because of this one instance where they are weak, incidentally they are bad at very high speeds as well (5km/s and above). Sometimes the situation just calls for turrets is all.

I should also point out that tracking computers and tracking enhancers would greatly increase the effectiveness of your light missiles in the example you gave.

A ham drake using only the launchers does about 60 dps to a webbed ab frig. (140 including drones)

Not a lot true.. But enough to kill a frig before it can even dent the shields on the drake.

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Close range to a HAM drake???
Long point, kill the drones and stay out of the short range of his missiles.
Even javelin ammo with max skills (and many people forget that hams can be skill intensive for max range) will have problems to arrive the frig.
Passive shield tank will mostly prevent the drake from getting killed by ONE frig but the frig will point the drake infinitely while waiting for friends.

they will see an increase when you allow the tracking modifiers to work on missiles, better nerf missiles a little extra before that

Hurricane dropped 3.9%. Now this is against a backdrop of increasing users so it's a bit worse than these numbers make it appear, but not that much worse.

We're keeping an eye on them.

The question really isn't the dropped usage from hmls or Drakes, but rather hmls on drakes.

If you looked at those numbers, what would they be?

I ask this because hmls are still relatively effective when used on caracals, navy caracals, rooks, tengus, etc. etc...

Soo, in my mind this could effectively mean that the drop in hml launchers is directly relative to the drake.

Also, we're only 1 month into the changes, so I feel that these numbers aren't yet settled on what the final numbers. will be.

Once many of these existing drakes have been destroyed I'm afraid they're not going to get replaced.

Also, there are probably plenty of players who are training out of a drake and just haven't reached a capable skill lvl to be able to fly anything else.


Hell, before these changes I was running around telling many players that if they were going to train missiles then there was no point in training past a tengu and past heavy missiles.

Now..... Well, all I can say is that my over 8mil sp in missiles is going waisted because the only missile boat I currently own is actually a cloaky scanner ship that just happens to have launcher hard points...

While CCP has made cruise and torps more effective, they're still not that effective.
In pve I can take out targets approaching using large turrets without the use of any tracking mods.
However, in a cruise or torp boat I need at least 2 target painters to put max effective dps on a BATTLESHIP, and that's with high support skills.

Personally, I'm wondering if missiles just need to be taken back to the drawing board and just redesigned in a way to make them more competitive when compared to turrets in both pvp and pve.


I don't know what to do as far as changing them in this manner, but then again, I'm not the game designer and shouldn't be responsible for figuring it out.