Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The problem with the Raven for PvP, is the speed of the darn thing, the DPS it does, the time to target - which at these ranges means if you're facing a fleet with logistics, they have plenty of time to react.

And in terms of using it in a fleet with logistics support, the lack of resistances mean the amount it can tank is basically worthless.

The reason sniping can work with minmitar, is the high alpha, but also the instant impact of it. You just don't get that with the Raven.

The Rokh beats it in PvP in every scenario. I'd rather pay 3 times more for something that works. If the Raven had the capacitor and a lot more speed, then maybe it might work as a fat kiter, but right now, it is only good for PvE.

This is probably a good time to point out the fact the ship stars out with 0 EM resistance to its primary tank. That is at least one mid slot and one rig right there. Urggghhh Raven.

You're just being silly, you can't exclude the Rokh and Abaddon. You can't just pretend that they don't exist, and even if you could, you couldn't persuade your opponents also. All you're doing is saying that a ship is okay if we ignore all the ones better than it.



Most (yeah yeah Maelstrom) of these ships share something in common in fleet with the Raven - they're not used either, because they're inferior to the Rokh and Abaddon.

I'm not excluding these two BS, but you are excluding all the others.

Hearing you, the only way to make a ship viable for fleet is to give it a resist bonus. There is only two ships with resist bonus, and they are those you define as the best and the only usable ships for fleet.

There is 9 other BS than the 3 we are talking about, and none of them have a resist bonus. Though, they are not useless because of this.

There can only be one best ship in a defined use case, but we cant argue then that all the others are complete junk.

What I argue with the Raven is that it definitely have some unrivaled qualities. The problem it may face is that these qualities are not favoured by the metagames these days.

@Moonaura : you obviously haven't read any of the last 5 pages. What you are saying is plain wrong.

I agree that the Caldari battleships needs some love and the the Raven description is just plain wrong, but aren't these ships lined up for some tiericide treatment in any case? I might be wrong on the last point, but either way they should be rebalancd to behave as a new player who has read some of the eve chronicles and backstory might expect them too.

Coming back to the main thread, missiles have always been underpowered as evidenced by an earlier post in which someone said that they offered the second best alpha in the game next to artiliieries. Thing is though, doesn't this mean that artillary weapons are over powered as after all we're looking for balance here. Artillary weapons don't have to wait as long as missiles to apply damage in any case so are doubly overpowered.

I don't mind them being over powered, but I think that missiles should be buffed to be their equal, not further nerfed to be the most inferior of all weapon systems.

As for the whole caldari shield question the most advanced shield systems belong to the minmater not the caldari as is claimed in the Eve backstory, you've only got to look at the Maelstrom for that with it's 8000 HP and 7.5% bonus to shield boosting per level. It can deploy power at sizeable range with it's projectiles and is in real terms everything that the Raven should be but is not.

It's the new players I feel sorry for. They might like the look of a caldari character as most new players tend to and if they try and play out the racial stereotype and train rails and missiles they will all die horribly and be ***** slapped hard across the cluster by people who know better. It' probably wont be much fun for them and will increase the rate of churn that CCP currently has when it comes to new players, joining, trying and quitting.

My final point is that nerfs cost ccp money in terms of lost subscriptions. No one who has trained hard for a skill or an ability to use a weapon likes to see it nerfed without an equivalent buff elsewhere. i.e. my heavy missiles don't do as much damage, are not as versatile against different size targets as they used to be and are incapable of going as far. I might forgive this if all launchers had an increase in ROF to make up for it or enlarged capacities so I don't have to reload as often.

I will most probably forgive the proposed Drake nerf in which it loses it's sheild resist bonus but gets a ROF bonus for the missiles etc. I may even get to like it if it has an increase to passive regen (I'd lovbe to see that) but then again this latter point wont happen as we all know Caldari have the most advanced shield systems of anyone, so no need.

it is a bit strange they changed arties to be high alpha low ROF they should switch that with cruise missiles really might make them more desirable after all they have massive explosive warheads on them instead of smaller chunks of metal.
And of course the excessive flight time of cruises are its main issue it should get the velocity treatment HM's are getting.

The resistance bonus that many of the Caldari ships get is a big deal. This is what really enables the force multiplier effect of logistics ships when used in a Caldari fleet. The better the resistances, the more a ship can technically tank. It makes a profound difference.

So instead of one large shield transfer being placed on you, lower resistances mean you now need two, etc.

The Rokh right now, is perfect. I hope CCP don't change a damn thing with it.

Clearly, there is a reason why resistances is so valuable in fleets. And trust me, it is, by far 'the' stat that makes a great fleet ship. Why? Because of the effect logistics have on ships with high resistances. Higher resistances, the less logistics you need to tank an enemy fleet.

This is why it is being taken away from the Drake.

I think my general grief is this:

The missile changes do absolutely nothing to improve Battleship missile boats except the removal of T2 drawbacks.

They need more: More damage for Cruise missiles.

Less damage for Torpedos but with far better explosion radius and explosion velocity.

I learnt to post with my actual player account... so tanking should be possible.

So how about no matter what ship you take it's the same? i don't like that.