Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You're saying small gang don't use drakes? I'm sure PODLA would be willing to talk you out of that notion.

I think you need to deliver a new Ewar Device that focuses specifically on missles rather than make TD's so powerful. What you've done is given the Eve Player base a 100% effective form of Ewar that any ship can fly w/o a single good counter. That complete goes against choices.

Instead, having two separate modules allows groups of players to counter each other differently w/o allowing a 1 stop fitting choice.

In addition, if you are going to allow such strong ewar against missiles, you need to increase their Structure HP. Because there is already an effective counter to missiles with firewalling, adding a new option means that you can basically completely destroy even a large fleet of missile users super easily. I would suggest giving missiles about 3-5x the amount of structure HP they currently have if these changes go through. I would also pair this with a base high resist consistent with the type of damage the missile puts off, similar to bombs so that players cannot just choose one type of smart bomb to create such effective firewalls with.

HML nerf is to harsh.

with max skills range is 60km and volley damage is 1731 assuming drake keeps bonuses and using scourge fury. That means the DPS is 277 using no damage mods and fury missiles.

The damage is even more horrid than it already is.

I do not approve.

I dualbox ishtar and tengu, and you must be doing something wrong if his Ishtar is outpacing your Tengu as the game is now.

Oracle (t-2 mega pulse lasers) Multifreq: 696 dps
Oracle (t-2 mega pulse lasers) Scorch: 646 dps (75km range with tracking computers)
Tengu (T-2 launchers), scourge t-1: 496 dps



So much for OP tengu.

Tengu goes from 113,906 km to 85,050 and does 20% less damage.

Drake goes from 75,937 to 56,700 and does 20% less damage.

Dominion trailer will have to be edited... no need for second cyno ship as the first one would be out of range

Look at it this way, it'll cut down their support tickets to their helpdesk complaining about the poor performance the game client gives players post launcher graphics patch.

group 1: NERF THEM!!
group 2: NO NERF THEM!
Developer: Distributes nerfs
Group2: THEY NEED NERFS NAOW!
Group 1: NO NERF THEM!
Developer: Distributes nerfs
on and on...

What is this, battlenet?!?

If something seems overpowered, in this case an effect of all medium missile boats? ...I just consider it poor-lazy development practice to issue [substantial] nerfs across the board (or to missile boats in this case) rather than just bringing the weaker up to standard. I've seen this just too many times in other mmo's, resulting in a cascade effect of unhappy players screaming for moar nerfs. Nerfs should only happen as fine tuning after introducing something new into the formula which suddenly made them overpowered, not after years of something being a set standard.

Caldari missile shipline is officially dead now. After those changes Caldari missile ships beyond frig-size will become as rare as damp-focusing Lachesis nowadays. Let's see all categories of missiles.

1. Frig size.
1.1. Rockets: almost fine, it's just their DPS is weak.
1.2. Light missile launchers: noone use them, propably we will see them now and then as often as small railguns. Low dps, hard to fit.

2. Cruiser size.
2.1. Rapid light missile launchers: beyond some gimmick fits almost never used and I highly doubt they will after Winter.
2.2. Heavy missile launchers: now they will have a terrible DPS while being the only choice a missile boat of this size can fit without crippling itself. With upcoming Drake nerf it won't be used much.
2.3. HAML: they just useless. Hard to fit, extremely short range that can't be buffed by overpowered TE and TC. On top of that low dps and can't hurt small targets.

3. Battleship size.
3.1. Torpedoes: outside of bombers torps are awful. Extremely short range and can't even do full damage to the Death Star without gazilion of target painters.
3.2. Cruise missiles: too much range that noone needs, very low damage output and cant hurt cruiser-size targets without TP's or a lot of rigs + very good missile skills.

4. Capital size.
Don't know much about that, but I know for sure that capital-sized missile launchers are worse than capital-size turrets.

So what do we have:
Bad for PvP and bad for PvE missile ships. There are almost no point ever training:
- Light missiles
- HAM
- HM (after Winter)
- Cruise missiles
- Caldari capitals
The only viable missile types we left with are rockers and torps (for SB only). I want my SP in missiles and Caldari ships back.

HM nerf good, homogenization of guns and missiles bad.