Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There's no working rail platform for Gallente in medium and large hulls.
A lot of working blaster platforms though, but they only work in small gangs and very specific situations.

You do all realize that the HML system used to be the only medium missile system right? And thats its current "balance" was based on that. It had to fill the role of both long and short range.

Missile systems were originally balanced as long range slow firing small target hitting and short range fast firing large target hitting. With the HML being the only system at the time they put it in the middle and used T2 ammo to change its role between the two. Then they released the HAMLs and made some changes to HML (not enough to change its do all role though)

As for the changes that are listed, I don't think the range nerf or base damage nerf are uncalled for. However, having to equip rigs or implants to make your weapons hit in class is not appropriate (for ANY weapon system).

To balance small target hitting I would scrap the current explosion velocity and explosion radius and create "Missile Tracking" and use a "Missile Sensor Strength". "Missile Tracking" would work similarly to turret tracking, if the small ship is moving around too fast the missile won't be able to hit it. "Missile Sensor Strength" would work similarly to Turret Signature Resolution.

You would end up getting the "crappy" hits, the misses, and you should also get the critical hits.

Yes, this would mean they would work the same, but with flight time. Right now missiles are popular because they have consistent and predictable damage (especially in PvE) and have "some" damage application at any range they can hit at.

Like for example armor Harbinger:

Low slots:
Tank/damage/TEs
2/2/2
or
3/2/1
or maybe
3/3/0 and sacrifice one of my utility med slots for TC?

Inherent stats you say? A few pages before I pointed out how HML in a Drake have less damage than medium long range turrets, if all ships fit 2 damage mods. How can you really come up with inherent stats?

I agree with you if you argue with reasonable in game stuff:

- in game, HML are stronger than med lr turrets in a range from 35km til max range of missiles.

So a Caldari missile ship (Drake/HML) is the winner there. If you compare long range large, short range large and short range medium Caldari missile doesnt play a first role (if it plays a role at all).

thats what *I* call balance. In one its good, in others its not. If you want to break that up because you feel like in medium long range turrets should have the edge - fine. But then give missiles another role where they shine. Or dont claim any more you want *balance*, because its obvious then that you dont want that, but just domination for turrets everywhere :)

So it comes down to this:

1) There are 2 ways, really. Either let missiles shine in some things and be crappy in other, and turrets vice versa. Or make all the same in efficiency.

2) I dont see the patch is doing either of those 2.

I see some people here who disagree with the 2) - thats ok, we all cant know for sure.

But for all those who disagree with 1) ... tell what *you* want.

You keep saying turrets have a dps advantage at short range, though this advantage is LOW. About 10%. And you keep ignoring long range turret tracking at this range. Considering damage application, Drake dps may very well be MORE than the turrets.

And you keep ignoring the 40% dps advantage at range. And your only solution is different range ammo ? So missiles are more like turrets ?

Let me tell you your idea of balance is bad. Balance is not one thing OP somewhere, and another OP somewhere else.

Balance is turret have better damage at short range but less damage application whereas missiles have better damage at long range with more damage application (and missiles do have better damage application when you consider long range turrets).

Missiles != turrets.

PS : HML shines at long range, but today's HML shine also at long short range.

And yet, that's all long range turrets have against long range missiles, this and instant damage application.

And then everyone again forgot the HAM buff which will keep Drakes in the game at shorter ranges and also produce actually effective Caracals. And also Sacrilege buff.

Its a 10% reduction in damage and 25% range reduction so more like 459 DPS at 75k

Indeed. Also I guess simple math is hard for missile chuckers they have gotten to used to press F1 receive bacon.

Seriously guys. HAMs are going to get easier to fit. If you want, try to put a few on your Tengus, too. Yeah, they'll have far less range. But you'll notice that you're doing obscene amounts of damage. And you've already still got some pretty good tank. Why not give it a try? It might not be that bad.