Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Citation needed.

It is math that take into account gun signature resolution, target signature radius, missile explosion radius and -velocity, moving targets and effective tracking, but excluding transversal velocity because that would permit manipulating numbers in HMLs disfavour. You should try it sometime.

I never guaranteed that it is going to happen. I just said that, in order to complete their re-balancing sweep, they will have to visit T2/T3 cruisers and CS. T3s are too strong and versatile, they have in a lot of cases swept T2s under the rug entirely, and some of them have even managed to replace CS (EHP and links are better).

There seems to be a typo. It says you are decreasing all heavy missile damage by 20%. You going to remove the Drake and Tengu from the game too?

Try what? Pulling numbers out of my ass without citing the source or the math I used to reach those numbers? I guess I can try that, though I'm unsure what point that will make...

Here, let me try;

99% of all statistics on the internet are 75% exaggerations.

How's that?

This seems very premature.

BC rebalance is coming. Let it come and do the job properly, not this half assed nonsense. In the scope of wider changes to the BC class? These changes make sense. Without that scope? It's a half ass, premature, poorly conceived fix to something that was going to be fixed anyways.

Powergrid and damage nerf to missiles and canes is excessive.

Some more moderate nerf for first iteration would be wiser. Like -10% to damage to heavy missiles and -100 to cane powergrid first. IF that is not enough once you get to proper BC rebalancing you can always apply additional nerfs. But if you do this massive nerf all at the same time you are risking making those ships horribly underpowered. Cane especially with with massive -20% grid is at risk, everyone will simply start using Cyclones instead because you wont be able to fit a decent Cane any more, too much slots will have to go for ACr and PG.

Else seems good and reasonable.

This. Sorry for double post, but I just spent two months training to get into my Tengu. Hell, I rarely even played while I was training just because I was so giddy to be able to fly it. Now it just gets nerfed hardcore and I feel like a moron for not going for Proteus or Loki or pretty much any other ship. If this goes live, I am going to unsub and focus more on GW2 or something.

Now that I think about it more, I begin to see larger version of the problem:

The reason Heavy Missiles appear to be so overpowered in comparison with range medium turrets, is simply because the long range turrets for medium size, for the most part, suck.

Medium rails, are just horrible, dont deal enough DPS, considering their bad tracking. They should have great tracking, only a bit less than pulses, or considerably more than heavy beams, for example, (Think 0.05) or around that, such that their tracking is best of the long range turrets. They also need better damage with close range ammo (spike is damn good). Just by destroying heavy missiles does not solve the issues that medium rails have, people still wont use them just because their caldari missile boats are so crap. Nerfing HM damage will in fact cause people to take more of a look at rails however, especially if the moa/eagle line actually get a damage bonus. But nerfing heavies completely into the ground isn't really fair just to get people using HAMs and medium rails.

Medium beams aren't that great because scorch pulses are just so much better and get only a little less range. Perhaps they need a damage buff too, if a minor one, while buffing scorch's damage a little and reducing its range a little.

Arties are always good due to their alpha, but medium arties are not all that common in PvP, save for the arty cane or muninns. Perhaps buff their rate of fire slightly.

Heavies are in fact too powerful, but 20% damage reduction is a bit much in this case no matter how you look at it. Perhaps the other long range guns should be looked at in the process, and the heavy missile damage nerf should be reduced.

This is the most ******** thing I've seen CCP propose to date. *I've seen more than a few doozies

Please for the love of the gods stop dumbing down eve.

This is not balancing - this is making everything the same crap with different models. Killing all of the strategic options and differences between the racial ships. When they are done we are going to have WoW in space and it's going to be just another trash MMO. Way to go atlanta office - I can't wait for the east coast to sink so we can get real designers working on eve again.