Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Precisely this. And Noemi is doing his crying on a posting alt. Poor thing.

edit- And I love the constant deflection saying "but but the Cane is really the op ship," meanwhile totally ignoring the fact that in the OP the Cane GOT NERFED DIRECTLY. You've now got nothing to deflect attention to, oh no!

Bye bye dual med neut 425mm Cane. We will not miss you.

what they were saying is that the hurricane had too much PG (able to fit 720s and a MWD without a fitting mod) relative to how much 720s cost, so theyre making arty cost less for everything else and MORE for the cane as it already had too much grid.

Just so we are all aware, CCP Fozzie hasn't commented on this thread in the last ten days.

This is not a criticism, there is nothing to be said. He plans to nerf HMs and some other missiles.

Some players think this is a fantastic idea, others disagree.

My personal opinion is that this is a VERY bad idea at this time. I have seen quite a few people talking about this in game, and so far I have yet to see anyone praising this as a good idea. And these are not Drake pilots. I live in low sec, so Drakes are not as common as other ships, and a nerf like this doesn't really hurt these folks. Yet every single person I have seen talking about this, every freaking one of them, all apparently think that this proposal is ridiculous. For what it's worth.

I think that CCP needs to take a GIANT step back, fix the other Caldari ships, and then see where things stand.

With this Winter Update they need to rethink the Moa, come up with some concept that will actually make people want to fly it, and then built it around that. This will sound shocking, and a RADICAL departure from the norm, but CCP needs to make the Moa not poor or mediocre (as is typical for Caldari), nor good, but great. Pretend that it's Minmatar, or Gallente, and make it a ship that Caldari players are eager to fly.

Make it so good that the players from other races actually consider cross-training into Caldari just so they can use it. You know, the way you do with the other races, only this time it will be Caldari. Do the same with the new Caracal. Just forget that it's Caldari and design it the way you would if it were some other race. Make it cool and exciting, then see what happens.

Then move on to other Caldari ships. Fix their Battleships, fix their HACs and Command Ships and Interdictors. Make them the kind of ships that everyone wants to fly. Make them so good that Caldari pilots currently training some other race (in other words, all of them) momentarily regret the time they didn't invest into their own. You know... balance for everyone, including the Caldari. It's novel, it's a radical departure, but I think it's an idea whose time has come!

THEN, and only then, take a look at see where HM Drakes stand, and if they need a nerf go for it.

You mean, like revamping ALL of their T1 frigates, destroyers and cruisers, and making them so powerful that some are already saying they will most be OP ? Granted. If only they could make caldari players able to read, but that would be too much I guess...

well duh, you have to fit tank, but the brutix cant even fit rails + MWD without using an RCU, never mind adding tank

also, the hurricane gets two damage bonuses to counter the fact that arty has low DPS.




ummm . . . the muninn and arti cane fleets that fly around 0.0 alpha striking logistics ships would like a word with you.

Also, you realize that the arti are now going to be easier to fit to everything except the cane, right?
this is going to make alpha muninn fleets far more effective

Exactly. OT Smithers is right, again. Give those over 9000 broken hulls a viable working role, one which others would love to take. And you will see how the Drake is no issue at all anymore (and if it still is, then there *is* an alternative route for Caldari pilots, which does not mean "crosstrain!"). Ofc it would be best to have a role for every single hull in game, but I agree this is maybe not so easy to do. But at least some more than just *one* tech 1 hull above frig size would suit a professional company well.

Tracking disruptors are a serious issue and CCP made a very good decision to look @ them. Those who believed that tracking enhancers would be a renaissance for missiles are R3T@RD3D. especially if tracking disruptors effected missiles.

Compare a 50% increase in signature radious and a 50% increase in explosion velocity or a 50% decrease in missile velocity. To a Tracking ehancer 15 - 30 % precent bonus. Tracking Ehancers also even stack. My issue with cruise missile is overall damage not damage application, because I can do good damage to a cruiser with stasis webifiers applied. The effect on TORPS would be meh! You'd be better off with a Target painter and EVEN better would be a stasis webifiers applied to a target and 2 of the aforementioned modules used together would be even better.

So, if that tracking disruptor BOOST happened; it would have compounded the NERF to heavy missiles solo and in small gangs. This will leave drones and missiles the only other weapon systems not effected by that mechanic. Allowing missile ship users to continue to abuse the current mechanic we have and never be effected by it. Which is fine IMO because missiles being effected by a module that effects turret mechanics DOESNT make sense.


Cerberus:

One of the main issues in why a Cerberus was not used was because hml-Drakes was as good in long rang-HAC range. That won't be the case anymore. The Munin, Zealot and Cerberus were always the best @ that tactic, but the rise of the Drake overshadowed the benifits of a Cerberus. Long range-HAC's exist @ 90 - 110km and a Drake exist @ 70 - 80k (little to no movement of a target). So I do plan on using a Cerberus more and I have used it in gangs in the past and have flown it solo. The BOOST to light missiles will also make RML really really good and allow the ship to do near 400dps with it along with the navy caracal. Oh! HAMS...

by that logic, i'd need to be a murderer to speak out against murder; or Id need to be rich to know that its a good thing to be rich . . .

Not if, but when and with what numbers. The change is coming. They just realized it looks like that they couldn't do what you are fearing. A simple transfer of the existing numbers for turrets to missiles. And, if the existing numbers favor the TD ship over the TE/TC ship then that may have to change for turrets as well.

Currently unbonused TDs are ******* over turret boats. That would really be no problem if it was coming from specialized TD ships, because that would be what they are supposed to do. But currently the unbonused TD is ******* over turret ships. That should stop, and it also should not be allowed on the new missile effects.

I don't see how they can't nerf the base stats on TDs and then hand a larger bonus to TD boats. That alone will prevent the god mod that TDs otherwise would be. And correspondingly the TE and TC effects on missiles will have to be rather weak as well so as not to ironically make missiles OP in a different way.


Also, all the sniper HACs lost their utility when tier 3 BCs entered the game. So you really don't see much sniper Zealot, but you still can see ab pulse AHAC Zealots. We still see a few sniper Munnins, but really they too are overshadowed by arty Nados.

Fixing the HACs is a task I don't envy for the balancing team. All the roles they used to have (except AHACs, but even then the tech IIIs are pushing) have been taken over by tier 2 or tier 3 BCs and tech IIIs. It will be interesting to see what they can do with them as a group.