Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP Fozzie is now my most favorite dev.

Do a 1000dps 50k range HAM Tengu then
Problem solved
ISK to Inggroth

I assumed you hadn't gone full ****** so to suggest putting unbonused medium weapons on a battleship. My bad.

"If you'll see here, the effective damage that missiles will output compared to railguns is approximately double."
>Missiles will output compared to railguns
>compared to railguns
>railguns

Don't compare things to railguns. Everything will be better than railguns. This is objective fact.

Honestly, I liked seeing Tengus because usually for those of us in W-space, they meant an easy kill. Once in a while you'd have a 100mn Tengu that was flown competently, but even that was rewarding to catch and pop. But in general, unless it was hero tackle or armour-ECM Tengus or you were in a Pulsar, you wouldn't see them in w-space PvP. Drakes in w-space are amusing :)

Since the main complaint seems to center around full damage projection at max range, which no other weapon type can do -- at least once the bug with Magnetars was eliminated -- why not address that directly instead of stomp these ships into the ground? Missiles were already lower DPS than other weapons; bringing the damage projection in line is all that's needed now.

I've already heard one great example of how to make this happen. Document/declare that part of the long-range missile's damage potential is relative to the remaining fuel it carries with it, so beyond a certain range the damage decreases to some minimum value. This could be compared to "falloff" damage. I'm sure there are other very sensible and logical ways to explain this.

Even with the proposed changes, you will still have issues with Drake blobs in large groups. Maybe you'll need some more Drakes, and maybe you'll need to move in a little closer, but it's still full damage projection at max range, which was the main concern. Cheap, disposable ships that you can fit your noobs into. You don't need to train them how to fly effectively in PvP. You just teach them how to push a button at the right time, and to keep pushing that button until they're destroyed.

A "falloff" type damage reduction combined with tracking nerf is sufficient. Without that, nothing you do will be sufficient, and only puts the problem off for another day. In the meanwhile, you have the potential to render a few ships nearly useless in their other roles.

The HML nerf was necessary to properly balance all those ships. After it is done, I'm sure we'll see buffs to the other HML ships like the cerberus, navy caracal, nighthawk and Gila. So this is not really an argument against this change.


And btw every ship is affected by target painters or ECM. But we don't fit target painters and ECM to all our ships, do we ?

Ok this is all very nice..

Now can you buff rails?

Assuming you meant Ishtar, you're saying a HAC, dedicated DPS boat that takes longer to train to max skills, does better what is a mostly dps-based activity than a supposedly jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none tech3?

\o/ Balance, we have it people!!!

If you meant Ishkur... how's he tanking? And getting around the grid to apply that dps reliably?

Also no one cares about your ability to just run lvl4s like they're their own little bubble universe, instead we care only how quickly you can produce isk, LP and ingame items from them to manage inflation throughout the whole economy & game. If you ran lvl4s in twice the time but everything dropped to half the price while we got more balanced weapond & ships, so be it.

Those ships are getting their skulls cracked by the nerfhammer in order to make room for other ships to be flown. It really is necessary, and your response is a perfect example of how individual players never have a game's long term interests at heart. They only have their own short term interests in mind, even if it kills the game in the process.

-Liang

You had your flavor of the month, get on with the next.