Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Keyword there being 'if you exclude drakes and tengus'. What? Are you ********?

I think another prong to this issue here is the fact that to my knowledge the Drake is the only T1 missile focused battlecruiser. Has anyone else noticed that? Because that seems to be a thing.

Honda makes a good car, Ford makes a crappy car. Auto manufactures get together and decide to nerf Honda. Immersion?

confirming that ccp is to incompetent to balance their game properly, instead of having unique in vastly different mechanics for their weapons systems and tanking modules to make the game exciting and engaging, where the meta-game is constantly changing and they have decided to make every tanking type, and every weapons system at virtually the same. .


A couple patches back in Inferno, they wanted to change shield/armor function virtually the same. Favoring passive/active changing as your choice. Needless to say that's a very bad idea. They started by trying to change the rigs. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99872 ( CCP bouncing ideas, are as close to good , as fire is to ice .because none of them actually play it again besides missioning/mining in high-sec ).

Now they're trying to change missiles to match the turret-based weapons, claiming that it'll make it easier for new players.. all it will do is dumbed down eve even more. It is gotten so bad that there is very little difference between the races, Beyond what slots they used to tank, and what flavor of gun they put in their high slots. well I admit there is problems with most of the missile boats in the game at the moment I think that is more wrong with ships themselves than the actual missile mechanic.

what is going to make this thing easier for new players, is more mechanics built in that facilitates experienced players teaching the new players. Here's some ideas off the top of my head. Reworking the certificate system so that players, make and share certificates among the corporation mates and their alliance mates easily. The certificates could be used for anything such as an easy to look up new player training plan. All the way up to figuring out if you have enough skills to qualify for reimbursement on a particular ship.

Because God knows none of the CCP staff are qualified to teach someone how to properly fit a ship or the skills required to properly fitted anymore. I'm going to hazard a guess and say no CCP dev is playing the way the average player does since the T2 lottery scandal. THE FACT THAT NO Dev plays the game the way the majority of pvper play. They have no clue about balancing past they care bearing in hisec.

so I urge you to put new player training in the hands of current players and give usThe tools to do it. Instead of dumbing down eve to the lowest of dominator

Wait, what? Battleship-sized weapons will have to be fitted to battleships to have a decent tank against comparable weapons?!



No one puts 180s on a cane.
And Drakes are funded because they're worth it, because they give bang for their buck. Too much in fact. It wasn't random choice that they're the favoured loadout, it wouldn't have been cyclones or brutixes if only a different dice roll/card shuffle.

I haven't read everything yet...

So excuse me.

But seriously... nerf cane but not drake first?

Seriously, the cane is hardly overpowered compared to the Drake.

Going back to reading. Getting my rage out early...

Because the GOONS couldnt have used any other fleet doctrine to keep your alliance cowering in stations before you tucked tail and ran out of Nullsec. ****, they could have been parked outside your stations in Rifters and had the same effect. Drake blobs aren't the reason for the downfall of your alliance. Terrible leadership is the reason for the downfall of your alliance.

So now one med slot MUST be TD ?Did we just get new form of ECM ?

HML range was to much ,who says it was not is realistic.But damage nerf is too much .Drake and Tengu are not only ship that use HML ,point is you dont use lazy approach to fix two ships.Tengu fix was easy ,just reduce range and oversized AB ,and also give him some dps nerf.
Now what with all other ships ?Why they hell you would now train to max out Gila if you can do that with Ishtar in half less time.What is Nighthawk role now?Cereberus and all other HML ships.

Saying that HMLs were on line is wrong ,but this much no way.

It is not problem to train something else ,but this for me will mostly affect new players.Most of Caldari new players that got a chance to fly proper Drake after 6 months training will now be like wtf I need to do now ?

Two ships was problem and mostly cause of blob warfare.You dont need to kill whole ship line cause of two ships that have ability not to commit to fight and sick kite option.

Alright,

I can honestly say that this is an ill-conceived plan. If this goes through it will cause a whole chain of problems down the line. I get that it's easy to see a fraction of the picture and make a decision based upon that, but that is a total fallacy. See, the issue runs much deeper that just nerfing the Drake.

There are other ships besides the Drake that rely on HMLs that will get totally blind sided by this. The Caracal/Cerberus and the Niighthawk come to mind. These ships already have to deal with the mediocre damage that are inherent to HMLs, the flight-time delay and the explosion velocity dramas.

I do concur that these changes will bring the drake back into line, there's no doubt. In doing so, however, other ships will pay an extremely heavy price. For one, Command ships are already broken - It takes longer to train up for a command ship than it does a Strategic Cruiser, yet Strategic Cruisers do more damage, tank better and are much more versatile. I do realise that there is a certain amount of risk like subsystem skill losses, but the difference in training time totally outstrips that.

Implementing this nerf as it currently stands will totally unbalance Caldari Command Ships even more than they currently are. Eventually this will have to be rectified and who the heck wants to suffer through all that?

Once again, I agree HML range is too far. But seriously, if the issue is HAM usage, BUFF THE HAMS, DON'T BREAK OTHER STUFF.

In conclusion, I think the range nerf is totally fine. The damage nerfis way too much, way too quickly.

I've played off & on since 2004 & am up to just over 24m Skill Points. Here's a chart that shows what this change does to almost 15% of my skill points.

As you can see, I've trained specifically to sling Heavy Missiles from a Tengu so that I can run level 4 missions. This really really screws over players like me who couldn't give two craps about what goes on out in drama-sec. If you want to nerf the Drakespam, nerf Drakes...not an entire weapon system. EVE is already at a point, PvE-wise, where my buddy's Ishtar** already outdoes my Tengu in both tank & gank for L4 missions. This change will just make PvE even more lopsided away from Caldari.

**Edit: I accidentally a kur instead of tar.