Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You might want to check that one Einstein.

Actually I meant this bit, HAMs will benefit from GMP in future. It's a big change tbh.

What part under the all missiles section bodes poorly for HAM's? They get closer to theoretical range now. As far as T2, T1 or faction should still give quite good performance now that GMP as well as explosion radius implants and rigs will affect them.

I was able to break tanks using T1 HML ammo. Using T1 HAM's with explosion radius skill bonuses, unless I'm missing some info, should potentially be better than post nerf T1 HML ammo. That being the case, in a range bonused ship like the tengu I'm not seeing a reason to not go with HAM's.

So for every weapon system, except long range missiles, T2 ammo offers you a choice of short range high damage v's long range medium/low damage.
Under this proposal though, long range missiles T2 ammo gets the choice of normal damage (potentially higher effective damage against small/fast targets) low range v's low range higher potential damage against big/slow targets and worse against normal/small/fast.

Bloody terrible choice. Faction ammo becomes the best ammo in all situations. Keeps range, boosts damage against all targets. Where is the choice?

problem with that is the tech 2 ammo is bloddy expensive going through 30 mill some days (yeah extream end) and both t2 ammo is about the same but guess what so is faction ammo up there in the pricing theres going to be hugh probs if these things happen seriously stop doing everything for pvp. your gonna end up killing mission or force people into specific ships for pvp prolly not that of caldari witch will make noone want to fly caldari and thus destroy the race if these changes go through you may as well remove all missle all caldari ship and the race all together.

Or not.

I suggest you read a little bit of this thread before you make conclusions.

exactly whats that ment to mean i have been flying caldari for years and put years of work into there ships and missles i think i know what im talking about here.

i put everything to pve when was the last time you had space in your med slotts to fit a tp ? or sensor boosters ect ?

while still maintining a decent tank and decent dps ?

not to mention the fact that a lot of ship will also now need a ab fit to middle to get within range of some ships to apply dps witch once again lowers tank capabilities as a fellow cal pilot on the pve side you know how fast we die when we dont have shields.

you will also know the burdens and lack of dps from tech 1 equipment thus you probably use tech 2 ok precision ammo gets a boost its needed for a while now and no penalties great. but furrys will even after 2 rigs and skills still not have a explosive radius enough to lay full dmg on criusers or bs or what have you as ythere recieving a nerf of 72% on the explosive radius and dont delude yourself of the 35% base dmg increase as if it would increase dmg applied to the target.

simply because the more raw dmg you have the more you start to lose because more raw dmg you lose more due to factor of explosive radius and sig radius and you now also lose more due to resists.

so now were left with t1 dmg through out as even furys wont apply that much more dmg and will be harder to do so.

if you want to continue this descusion then please do but please for the love of god present something to mitigate any one of these arguments.

it just another stealth cover from ccp to add bonuses to the ships so we think were getting buffed but in actual fact we gain nothing and possibly lose cause lets face it except from the fact that something like the caracl now puts out more dmg with more dmg types it capabilities havnt really increased from what it originaly can do due to the nerfs.

Alright I've read through the changes and it seems like as far as PVE is concerned, Fury missiles are now worthless. Most bs's operate at a 30-50 km orbit if I did the math on the changes I will have 32 km range with Fury missiles. Far from being well enough to PVE with. However, currently, Missiles are the most effective PVE weapon, really one of the only viable PVE weapons systems besides drones. Post nerf it feels that not only is the Cerb/Nighthawk/Caracal going to be near worthless, but that PVE in general is going to become a great bit more difficult.

What I'm worried about is the fact that currently there are very few effective caldari ships for PVE and PVP, however, this will achieve bringing the few good Caldari ships down to the rest of the pack. Can someone check my math or explain how this is all going to work out? I can fly all races, so over all it won't effect me too much, but alot of my newer guys require a weapons system that is going to be effective against the rats so they dont have to dedicate most of their eve career to high sec. These changes feel as if they effectively toss Noobs out of Null as they wont be able to rat and make isk effectively without always having someone there to shepard them

TL/DR I feel the Fury changes are excessive and will swiftly make them an unusable weapons system with a very limited amount of uses. I would support the fury range being decreased but the numbers are far too low to be equivalent. Missiles are a very different weapon system. I've been hit by medium blasters out past 50km, Never been hit from HAM's that far out. People need to remember that You don't get lucky with Missiles, either they hit or they dont.