Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well if we go with the new ship lines then the raven should be a attack ship so higher mobility and if they sort out the tank mods so large sh extenders only go on bs ships it might make it more desirable over drake blobs as it can do considerable dps with cruises especially with the new TE's TC's will help application of dps plus i think bs weapons will et looked at when they get to them

Cruise is another part of the Raven problem. Cruise is fundamentally broken and of no use whatsoever. With insta-probing and on-grid warps, range beyond 150 km is of very limited use. Inside 100 km, cruise DPS is thoroughly outclassed by BS turrets. There may be a slight paper DPS advantage somewhere around 140 km, but difficulty of Cruise application against sub-BS and flight time issues basically mean that there's no reason to fly a cruise Raven.

How do you fix that? Alter probing and warping mechanics so >150 km is more useful? Cut Cruise range to ~100 km and increase DPS? Does a "fixed" cruise-Raven just lead us from homogenous Drake gangs to Raven fleets, with fleet dynamics making it impossible to find a middle ground between useless and overpowered?

So, you're going to nerf the hurricanes powergrid by around 15-17%? My Armor Hurricane with 220's and ham's doesnt even have 150 pwrg left over with perfect fitting skills, now you make your 1-6 boosting implants pointless if everyone has to get fitting implants so they can actually fit a standard fit, armor cane is already smacked around, it cant fit a 1600, mwd, 220's, and neuts if you t2 them, so now youre t2 plate buff is gonna be used less and then tung will still be the most used, and now youre nefing drakes..one of the crapiest battlecruisers for small scale combat, a Single Stabber fleet can take out 3 Heavy Missile Drakes if they dont fit webs, and the stabber doesnt even need links or reps to do it. You are now making the drake completely worthless, dont get me wrong, ive hated the drake since 2007, but it is still a terrible battlecruiser overall. Armor ships have every medium slot for utility and a stronger tank then shield, they can also "fit" slave implants and have a smaller signature radius, making missiles less efffective on them, where as turrets will hit shields for full dps.
A Buffer Myrm - More tank and dps then drake
Buffer Cane - More dps and tank then drake
Harbinger - It has a massive dps boost against drakes overall and the tank is still good
( all these stats are armor fit )
What does the drake have? Range? A Brick tank and NO utility mods? Mediocre damage that my sabre can do more then? A speed that a mwding megathron has? The signautre of my Nidhoggur? The Ehp of my cane?
Yes......nerf that battlecruiser!!!!! It is completely overpowered!!!
A Ham drake if fit right can break 1k dps, so can every other battlecruiser, in comparrion overall in shield battlecruisers, the drake has the best tank and the lowest dps
Myrm has Middle Tank and the BEST dps with the new drone damage modules
The hurricane has the best Speed, the Worst tank, and The second best dps...... why neut it?
If anyhting look at buffing Heavy Missiles damge, range decrease of 10% and a damaage boost of what, 10% with ham boost of 10% as well?

Also..... tracking disurptors can shut down any Turret based ship there is, why do the same to missile ships?
A perfect lvl 5 Battleship has issues tracking a Battlecruiser at 5km if it has even 1 tracking disruptor on it, just throw the Tracking Disruptor idea in the trash, Buff Damage, Nerf Range, Show Ham's some love, and dont nerf the Hurricane Powergrid, if anything, give the myrm a small boost, and nerf the drakes shield hitpoints and boost the powergrid? Its hard enough to get hams, mwd, and a lse on there with a meta 4 lse and you still need fitting mods, boot that enough so you dont need it. Tri rep myrm is op on tankin and still has good dps, so it doesnt need a buff, hype cant get neutrons with dual rep ( or ions if i remember correctly ) so why should the bc?

Nerf drake tank and range, buff powergrid minorly and damage by 10% for HM and HAM damage to bring it up to par with other bc's damage and tank.

yep like i said they are going to look at bs weapons when they get to them as clearly the cruises should have higher exp velocity

Figures updated to include skills (GMP and TNP). I included T1 too, since we already know that the T2 stats will be changing, even if we don't know what to.

HMLs with short range ammo will have lower damage but higher range than long range turrets with short range ammo.

For comparison, a post-change HML with Furies will do less damage than a current HML with furies. Against a large stationary target a post-change HML with furies will do about the same damage as a current HML with DG faction missiles.



Not going to take any options off the table.

Specifically LR turrets like Rails/Beams/Arty I assume? They were so good that people generally compare them short range weapon systems.

In reference to your statement, sounds good. Now just some iterations on armor tanking would be <3

Really like the sound of "Unguided" missiles getting some love. Guided missile precision effecting things like HAMs and Torps sounds good (I gave up flying a sacrilige with HAMs when I did less damage to a scrammed Vaga with HAMs than I did with HMLs)

i find those patch notes confusing are you saying that rage and fury are getting buffs to damage and the Rage is getting even more range? if so why? surely the high damage HAMS need there range nerfed and even the t1 version as there is long range variant. this seems a step backwards

35% above T1 missiles post-patch. I'll see about getting a public version of a spreadsheet with the numbers although those aren't all that casually readable either.

Rage HAMs are getting a range nerf compared to their current values.