Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would just like to request that change to the HAM's power grid that was talked about.
I feel it would make the weapon more useful. Because even with the HM changes, its going to be easier to modify my fit to do the same thing as the current drake but at the cost of only a fraction of the tank loss. I'd rather fit HAMs and work up but thats really hard as its stands now. Also my Sacrilege and Legion would love you for it.

Unless they change the sacrilege to a drone boat
but yes the medium launchers do need to be looked at the RML is so much easier to fit than HAMS although why you want to i don't know especially now these missile dessies eradicate the need for light missiles on a cruiser.
Thus they should change the RML to use different ammo say a new missile called light assault basically a mixture of light missile and Heavy assault missile giving a missile designed to kill cruisers well with good damage because as we know HAMS are best for killing bc's really unless you have a TP like a bellicose.

Was not me, so get your facts straight. I said, I want the Golem/Torpfitted to be able to perform as well as a Vargur/ACfitted in missions l4. And thats not too much to ask for, but just balance, no? Apart from that, I would also like to see any missile ship be able to perform as well as a Machariel, in missions and PvP. Too much? I think not.

Thats what I really hate here - people say "you have to accept Drake is OP blablabla, thats why it needs to be nerfed" and in the same time deny, that there are other OP platforms (for years now) and if Caldari want a competitive ship they get told "adapt or die". No. Either we keep our so called OPs and you do too, or it gets levelled for all. Not just nerfbat to Drake and Winmatar-Opness should go on.

Problem: you want to use current FOTM setup
Solution: ?

Why don't you just train to fly Vargur/Mach if you think they are best ships?

If only CCP would introduce some sort of medslot missile "tracking computer" that would assist the damage application of torps.

Seriously though, your argument is bad. The Machariel is generally understood to be the best PVP BS, and it's probably the best PVE one too. It is self-evidently absurd to argue that a ship needs to be boosted because it's inferior to a Mach.

Now, OTOH, if you were to argue that the Mach was overpowered and deserved toning down, then you'd have a better argument, especially since CCP admitted to a communication failure when dealing with the falloff bonus to TEs and the Mach. But you're not doing this.

I dont speak mainly of the MACHARIEL in my postings here, I speak about the comparison Golem to Vargur. Machariel is my last point, there is no missile BS comparable to it. Why? I can tell you the reason, and I already did ...

And yes, I did exactly this: I said many times I accept a trade of so called OP ships. If Winmatar get in line with the rest (or the other way round) I gladly accept the Drake to be in line in long range battles with its peers. I would expect it will be in line close range too, though.

Besides, your point is it would be absurd to demand another BS to be as good as the Mach, so wouldnt it be absurd then too to demand other BC are as good as the Drake? I am sure the Drake is far more balanced in its class then the Mach is with other Pirate BS, and even more with other BS which are non-pirate. Its unmasking, again :-)

This is incoherent, I've no idea what you're trying to say. Nobody here is asking for other BCs to be boosted to the Drake's level and CCP is not proposing it.

Answer to my question instead, will you? Why is it ok to have OP Winmatar ships everywhere, but OP Caldari must get nerfed? Your question is really funny, the Drake is the worst in tier 2 BC CLOSE RANGE 1on1, has been proven many times and if you just go a few pages back you see how someone who claimed something else pulled back when I offered him a 1on1. Eve is not EFT, Eve is not *only* DPS,EHP and range. That has been my point and the one of others before. The Drake is not a ship which can do everything. Basically, it will lose when too close to its counterparts. It can win if the others are tackled and Drake is in good range.

The fact Eve is not just EFT but a complete sum of all attributes is why HML are not OP as a system. Even if numbers tell something else, the hulls which use the system come into play. HML are admitted strong on Tengu and Drake, esp in comparison to other long range med size systems. This could be adressed at, should be adressed at too. But in the same time the known issues of *all* other med and large sized missile systems should be adressed at too: bring Torps to AC level and actual performance, if needed also by buffing the hulls which use them, same for CM and HAM.

Its a matter of fact: CM and Torps dont work for Caldari in PvP, and they dont work too well for others either (Torp phoon, no sure about that one). AC and Arty work very well, and to a degree where ppl use on other ship hulls too. So yes, I want Torps and CMs work as well as AC and Arty. And HAMs like med AC. And then its completely ok for me, if med Arty is completely in line with HML, either by buffing one or nerfing the other.

If you think thats not fair, then *you* are the one who wants a not balanced game. Atm balance is there in a very rough scheme like: Caldari have the Drake to fight with missiles, Amarr have their BS and the Oracle, Gallente have some of their BS, and 2 BC (because the Naga uses Hybrids too ..), Winmatar have nearly everything. Caldari do have the Rokh, if they leave missiles alone.

I personally dont think, this is balanced. But if you want to nerf Drake, then nerf all those working other ships too, so every race will have options in every class. And no, killing a ship first and then maybe buff another one some time later is not an option for me.

You want other BC to be in line with the Drake. Right or wrong?

I said, I am fine with it. But I want other ships of Caldari also to be in line with their rivals, ships like Raven, Golem ... and I want this done in the same time or before. There is simply no reason for Caldari on the receiving end all the time, and call this bullsh*t then "balance".

I never demanded any *Caldari* ship to be as good (OP!) as the Machariel. But I want a missile ship (pirate faction) which is doing what the Mach is doing now - zooming around, deliver close range DPS with its Torps to absurd distances. Or nerf the Machariel, whatever you like better, so it will be in line. And I want the Golem to perform like the Vargur (which is only a short bit behind the Machariel in PvE btw ...), in range, DPS and application of those.

Thats nothing absurd, thats just balance.

So, do you agree this has to be done or not?

I didn't say no one faction or pirate fits modules.

What I said was that missile boat bs's must faction/pirate fit in order to have the efficiency of a turret boat with a t2 fit.

That means that your special faction domi with all ded/faction modules is more powerful than a navy raven or navy scorpion with all ded/faction modules.

My point is that turret boats are always at least 1 step ahead in every area except damage selection.