Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Explain what a figure of 10000 in that list means. Does it mean for that month:
a) 10000 zealots were used in fleet fights (obviously not)
b) zealots appeared on killmails 10,000 times? (this is what I am claiming - it will be directly proportional to the number flown in PvP)
c) zealots got 10000 final blows (what someone else claimed)
d) something else (you explain?)



These are all your claims not mine. I dont think zealots only appear on there due to NCDot, thats something you've claimed.

An arguement from personal incredulity is a fallacy.

...we are debating the balancing changes, which include the change to missile acceleration and TEs/TCs. How can we debate whether the changes are good or bad if you insist on ignoring (more than) half of them?

Seriously you are either a terrible troll or an idiot.

Right now, people dont fly Beam Harbs or 720 Cane with TC fitted and yet you insist on including one.

[Drake, snipe]

7x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile)

Sensor Booster II (Targeting Range Script)
2x Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

2x Ballistic Control System II
2x Capacitor Power Relay II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

stats?

DPS: 368 (sorry, it had been a while)
Tank: 54,351
Targeting Range 120km
Missile range 115km
Cap: Stable 42.21%

You understand that is about 14k more EHP then a standard 720mm cane, about 25k more than a cane that can hit it back.



294 DPS with two BCUs...not addressing the effects of TC/TE/rigs.

You really don't know what you're talking about do you? Try killing a HML pvp drake with a frig, just try it.

I also find it very amusing that after 150 pages people are still comparing HML's to short range weapons... so bad.

A) neither of my questions have been directly answered in the manner of how my question is phrased.

I have asked if they had thought and were considering large velocity increases in exchange for flight time.
They have stated that missiles will be getting a slight buff to velocity in order to better reach their range on paper.
They have also stated that they may increase velocity of everything but heavy missiles.

These are a matter of slightly increasing velocity to reach max on paper range,
and they've responded to increasing the velocity of slower missiles so they're not outrun.

Neither of the responses come close to answering my question.

The same can be said for any question they have answered.
Their answers are no where near related to my questions.


Besides, wtf are you trying to stop here?

It seems to me that you want nothing more than to see all damage focused missile boats taken off the field.

Well, congratulations, it's happening, and it will stay this way until CCP balances bc's and bs's.

Missile boats have had 2 damage focused ships that were viable, (nay) even capable of pvp.

The tengu might still be capable but with a 20% damage reduction and a 25% range reduction, I'm sure that most people that fly them in pvp will not be willing to risk over 1 billion isk anymore.

Same goes for the drake.
It may still be capable of pvp, but why am I doing to fly a ship that does 20% less damage at 25% less range?

Answer, I'm not. I'm going to hop into a ship like the hurricane that not only isn't getting a damage nerf, but has always been a more viable and versatile pvp ship with plenty of build options.

I've seen many O drake melt to a hurricane up close.
Lot of good those heavy missiles and EHP did.


Oh, and ASB fitted hurricanes are mean as hell.

You know hurricanes and ASBs are both being nerfed right? Or do you live in a bubble?

I admit, I didnt see how far a Sebo II would boost the Drakes Targetting range. So maybe this is something which should be adressed? Changing the targetting range in a way such boosted missile ranges (with rigs) will only work with even more dedicated sniperfittings. With less EHP.

But to be fair, this Drake here can hit back fine from range, but if it will get visitors in close range its just as dead as any other sniper ship. And in ranges closer to the optimal of its rivals it will also not shine at all - and it has no ability to dictate range, right?

And please be honest - do you really feel Drakes like this one are what ruins EVE? What I felt is, people are more concerned about "standard" PvP fitted roaming gang Drakes, which use HML just because HAMs are so poor in range and application.

The Drake will have ZERO at 63 Dude, coz its missiles vanish in space. And no, I dont see why they should out-DPS the Drake there, why shouldnt it be the other way round? :) The Drake gets out dpsd in shorter ranges already, and also in longe ranges, why? :)

Btw, this is both true already now - and still you call it OP now, and balance then. Troll?

And no, viable Drake fittings dont include TE/TCs, viable Cane fittings do. Will you deny the fact Cane and Drake are balanced against each other, or not?

Whatever, the fitting I posted on the last page would have 295DPS at 90km AND you could squeeze in another invuln because you won't need the invuln.

Its called fitting compromises.

I've seen plenty of cans solo a battleship.

Not so much missile battleships, but definitely turret battleships.

They just get under their guns and chew away at them.

Oh, and I've seen way more canes solo bs's than I have drakes.