Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A point I have made at the start of this threadnaught.

The problem we can see is the Drake and the Tengu, and even then I'm a little loathe to blame the Tengu, The drake is cheap, newguy friendly and when you have a 100 or so alot of dps for very little outlay in isk.

Now the Tengu is great everyone knows this but in order for it to shine you have to spend around 1bil isk, I'm not talking T2 PVE fits here (although they aren't cheap) plus you lose SP's if you get killed (I can attest like in real life don't drink and fly)

Now both of these ships have good bonuses when used with HML's so what happens when something is good,cheap or just plain useful, well of course eveyone will start using it.

Now take the poor old Nighthawk, I love that ship and spent a long time training up for it and what happens on that sunny day when you finally get your hands on it, well it stinksand you realise you've wasted a shed load of time and a fair amount of isk 0on what is basically a crate, good tank but no real dps especially when you consider the training time and money you spend on it. Why use a Nighthawk when you can get similar specs from a ship that costs 160mil less???

This just really smells of taking the easy route of tweaking a weapon system instead of looking at the causes of the problem which is the ships themselves.

When you are looking for a ship to pvp in unless you're blobbing what do you look at first, well I'm never looking at the drake for a start or in fact any missle boat but then again I prefer the up close and personal approach. How many of you do the same?

Tweak the range yes, no problem with that, but the damage? Most of the people on here are either trying to get more DPS or more tank and I've have a serious bet the majority are thinking of how can I get more DPS out of this crate.
If it is just a problem with server load (not my idea but I have seen it banded around) just buff the damage but nerf the ROF, same dps but less server load. I'd hope CCP would just tell us this is the problem not mask it under some "needed" gameplay tweaks.

To myself it again does seem to be aimed at trying to cut the flow of isk, it's seems everytime I get the chance to use something to make money it gets nerfed, especially when you have a limited time to play like some of us you really don't want to spending all your time earning isk (which is godforsakenly boring, e.g stop fecking around with modules and give us more content!!)

Obviously CCP knew the shitstorm that this was going to create so the very fact they went ahead and posted it lends me to believe this is going ahead reagrdless of what this threadnaught says.

Anyway enough of the soapboxing I'll just flog my Caldari stuff and move on to another race whihc I'm lucky as I have any of the other three to choose from that I have trained and I can't imagine either the CSM or CCP have managed to nerf all three of them at the same time but then again I'd better go check and see what other harebrained schemes they have come up with this week.

CCP alt detected, I bet politicans love you.

show us the new stats and make the adjustment to the ships at the same time as the missiles, thats not asking alot.

The current proposed cruiser changes are not even live yet and a lot of you guys keep on bitching about ships that aren't even balanced in the winter expansion.

About the caracal: yes it is worse than before, but remember, the changes are not set in stone. This topic exists to give feedback to CCP, so let's try to keep it to the ships that are being balanced this winter.

You have to remember aswell that tremor has such TERRIBLE tracking that you would have to match transversal even at 70km to hit anything.

The Caracal TODAY is pretty much junk. It's not like you see people flying it. CCP is talking about making it worse than it is now...

plus adding a second nerf in the form of TDs...

plus making every other frigate and cruiser in the game better than they are today.

The worst get nerfed, the best get better. It's not a plan it's a clusterf$#@. Is it any wonder people are shaking their heads?

Like I have said, I really don't care if they nerf the Drake. I don't care if they delete it from the game altogether -- I don't fly it. And the Tengu, well, that thing with the 100mn AB is downright ridiculous. But CCP needs to leave Caldari missile pilots something. If CCP decided to obliterate the Cane, I would be annoyed, but I have fifty other great ships I can fly. If they break the Drake missile pilots will have basically nothing. In my opinion that's a bad idea.

**** and i just bought a heavy missile 5% implant and plugged it into my tengu pilot >_<.

In fact they do ;-)
PG fitting requirements are reduced for arty.

You forget that alpha is very important especially for fleet fights.
Only some days ago I saw some arty Canes alpha an Omen cruiser.
And what you forget: How helpless drakes are against frigs. I doubt there is another bc with exception of a rail ferox that is so helpless against frigs. AC Cane has so good tracking that it eats frigs alive, Arty Cane has only little bigger drone bay but arty alpha strike (which alphas probably more than 50% of most frigs and even destroyers) plus mostly neuts or light missiles to get frigs down. Drake is really helpless against faster frigs when drones are eaten. Almost no other bc has these problems.

People here either don't know a crap about what they are talking about or are completely dishonnest.

Some things to know :
- HML will only be hit by a SLIGHT nerf for their intended purpose ;
- HML are LONG RANGE weapons, they should be balanced around LONG RANGE weapons ;
- ALL other missiles will get a BUFF due to TE/TC and T2 missiles buff.
- Caracal will be BETTER.

Tank/dps are not the only caracteristics of a ship...