Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Naglfar, Nidhoggur (ok, it has a very specific niche but is still ****), Hel, Ragnarok,

also, typhoon is probably the most useless battleship of all atm


Hyena is kind of broken like all eafs, it's the concept of a high priority role / target in a frigate hull that is the problem, they should be survivable in a similar way interceptors and faction frigs are survivable, but that is a whole different story

All I have to say is here: http://overdrivetherevolution.blogspot.com.br/2012/09/the-capsuleer-essence-in-debate-or-give.html

Read if you will. Know its important.

No ships or mods need nerfed, just a lazy way to CCP to handle people whinning. No ship is that much over tanks to any other. This is getting old. Improve frigates so assault frigatees aren't so over powered to the rest, fix the ASB, and then leave the rest alone and make some new ships, ont nerfing. Sad, just sad....

That has to be the most obnoxious, elitist and frankly bad blog post i have EVER seen.

You want complexity for the sake of complexity to keep the unworthy out and so that you can feel proud of your ability to remember stupid names. The worth of a player is really not measured in his ability to jump through a bunch of stupid hoops in order to learn something that could be way simpler without affecting the core gameplay. Eve will never be a simple game, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with making it as easy to learn as possible.

You don't want anything to change, you want imbalance for the sake of imbalance as well..


I really can't believe i wasted my time looking over that terrible excuse for a blog, i really really hope you don't have a large following



PS: you could have fixed the first graph with switching the X with the Y instead of making a new really bad one ^^

The Naglfar was actually very good for a brief time a few years back. CCP gave it extra CPU and a midslot, and changed its bonuses, but they changed it again shortly afterward and it became terrible again.

ok, didn't take that in account, you're probably right there

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I disagree. Fozzie makes a good point, you cant balance around an unbalanced weapon platform.

Think back to the days of 90% webs, and before the matari buff. Blasters were incredibly overpowered. they would catch up to you, hold on to you and beat you until you died, but the only ones that were really ever used were the thorax and the megathron because they were SO much better than any of the other ships.

What if they decided "instead of nerfing blasters, lets just nerf the megathron and the thorax"? That wouldnt have changed the fact that blasters would have been totally overpowered, and everyone would have just moved to the next best blaster ship (probably the dominix and the myrm)

The only problem with what they did to blasters was that they over-nerfed the blasters and forgot to buff all the other ships to compensate.

How about this, instead of nerfing heavy missiles, we instead nerf the drake and tengu.

Ok, so,

Remove the kinetic bonuses from the drake and tengu - accelerated ejection bay.

This is a 25% damage nerf to the drake, and the tengu module.

With all skill lvl 5(no other modules but 2 hmls), this takes the drake from 271 dps to 217 dps with fury ammo, and brings back damage selection instead of one damage fits all.

Now, a tengu fitted with 6 launchers(no other modules) and an accelerated ejection bay at all skills lvl 5 with go from 366dps with fury to 293.
This will also implement damage selection as well instead of pure kinetic.
By the way, this would be the highest possible missile dps on a tengu without fitting dps mods.



Now, take the drake and reduce its max targetting range to 55km.
This means the drake will still be capable of those long ranges, but in order to be able to fit for range, it would have to sacrifice tank, utility, or velocity mods.

With the tengu you can reduce the targetting range of the electronics sub systems to reduce its targetting range.


With both ships that means that in order to get long range they have to sacrifice something.

I feel this may be a better balancing design than just straight up nerfing the hell out of heavy missiles.

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Now, I have a question.



Does this apply to cruise missiles as well?

Currently cruise missiles have enough problems hitting small targets. They don't have the damage of torps or but have almost the same exp radius of torps.

Currently it takes 2 P.W.N.A.G.E. target painters in order for fury cruise missiles to out dps precision cruise missiles against a battleship.
However, you'll need at least one more target painter if you want fury to apply max potential against a battleship.
Granted, that's without rigor rigs, but not many of the missile boats can fit those because they need to dedicate rigs to something else.

From the OP

"Tech Two Missiles
-At the moment Fury missiles at Light and Heavy sizes have a faster explosion velocity than precision missiles, we'll be fixing this defect as part of the changes.
-Remove ship penalties from tech two missiles (ship velocity and signature radius)
Precision: Improve bonuses to explosion velocity and explosion radius, increase damage to match T1 missiles, reduce flight time slightly
Fury: Increase damage, increase the severity of penalties to explosion radius and velocity
Javelin: Just remove ship penalties
Rage: Reduce range, increase damage slightly"

Javelin HAMs are no longer penalized, and Rage is getting a buff. So you see there is already some buff to HAMs that will be entering the game. We just don't know yet the numbers. If they weren't reducing the range on Rage they would possibly become op with increased damage plus TE and TC range effects. One will have to see how a TE'd or TC'd HAM boat's range with faction HAMs will affect combat.

As for killing something in an ecm boat. None of the other races presently have an ewar BS. That could change when BSs are rebalanced, who knows. But regardless, the role of an ewar ship is ewar. If it was a powerful combat ship as well why would anyone fly anything else.

The only ewar ships that really have a good combat bonus is the Amarr recons imo. Presently Curses are not proliferating so there does not seem to be a problem there. The Pilgrim is hampered by lack of a range bonus on Neuts. It used to be borderline op when nosferatu would not only suck dry another ship's cap but also keep adding to pilgrim's as well. It was a real brown underpants moment if a Pilgrim decloaked right next to you. Both are limited to 5 medium bonused tech two drones for damage. Good, but hardly op. And if your prey is fitting a cap booster, a rather common mod on pvp ships for other reasons not just to combat neuts, it will not be instantly cap disabled.

CCP has stated repeatedly it doesn't want solo pwnmobiles in the game. To instantly disable your prey's ability to lock, when almost any combat action in this game requires a lock, is very powerful. So, anyway I doubt the Falcon and Rook will be getting any damage buffs.

And, the tech I ewar ships are basically going to be using any offensive capability to try to shake a tackling frig or kill drones. The role is ewar, not combat. So focusing on providing ewar support and self-defensive capability is what the ships are there for.

I have been from one side of this galaxy to the other. And everywhere I go the one ship that gives the best bang for you money is the Drake. It is capable of fitting to almost anything you need. Swiss army knife of ships. The fact that Goons use it is irrelevant. The Drake is used everywhere.

Once CCP get around to balancing battlecruisers I am sure the Drake will be nerfed and other battlecruisers buffed. There simply should not be a ship that does it all. Just because the Drake uses heavy missiles exclusivly does not me the nerf to heavy missiles was only intended to nerf the Drake.

The key thing we all can do is help CCP with testing and testing and feedback and more feedback. Yes I know things have happened in the past where CCP ignored the feedback and still pushed it through to TQ *cough* inventory system *cough*, but we can't just dwell on the forever.

Every ship should have a reason to get in it over another and it should never EVER be a do all ship. It should have strengths and it should have weaknesses. Same thing goes for the weapon systems we use. The heavy missile launcher (after being on a ship fully fit) is simply too good. It has to be brought down a few notches and other medium range weapon systems might need to be brought up a few notches (/waves at medium railguns) to provide a dynamic system of choices with pros and cons for various applications. Want that good damage at long range? Well something must suffer. Will it be tank, speed or something else?

I know some of you define a ship or weapon system as 'fun' because it can do almost anything. If all the other ships were buffed so much that they fall into that category then where is the adventure in deciding what ship or weapon to use?