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The reality of the goon freighter ganking in Uedema and neighboring systems.

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Idris Helion
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-09-18 16:05:16 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Seconding the "fix bumping" sentiment. Fix bumping, identify and deal with repeated character recycling, but don't nerf high sec ganking itself.

And stop going to Jita. Seriously. There are so many other places you could inflate the economy in if you wanted to. Alternatively, do the following if you really really really have to go through a known ganking system:

1. use a scout Shocked


QFT

I never move my freighter anywhere without sending a scout out first. Never, ever, ever. I don't care if I'm moving through nothing but .9 and 1.0 systems: I always use a scout.

I also never take freighters to Jita. Ever. The routes are too well-known, and there are too many bottlenecks. If I need to run cargo into Jita, I either use a transport or just hire Red Frog to do it for me. (Frankly, I don't use Jita much these days. I'll go there for some rare stuff that's hard to find in the other hubs, but that's about it.)

Someone mentioned it upthread, but it bears repeating: if you're carrying high-value but low-volume cargo in a freighter, you're doing it wrong. (Like that Charon that got ganked carrying POS fuel and blueprints. There's just no excuse for that.) I use my freighter for one thing: moving minerals from my mining outpost to a trade hub. I never carry more freight than the freighter itself is worth -- that's just begging for a gank. I never carry courier packages in cargo -- it invites ganks because the griefers think you're trying to hide something expensive.

If you must carry high-volume, high-value cargo, use an Orca instead. They're almost as slow as freighters, but have much better protection and can hide your stuff from prying eyes if it's in the corporate hangar bay. Plus your stuff won't drop if your Orca does get ganked. Plus Orca's are cheaper than freighters, so if you do lose one, it doesn't hurt as much.

For most uses, an Orca is a much more flexible vessel than a freighter. It can do freight, but it can also do lots of other things (like moving fitted ships!).
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#82 - 2012-09-18 16:08:29 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
+1 to popping the wreck before they can loot/salvage it.
Fairly viable business model Big smile

Also as I recall, you need a freighter to loot a freighter. As freighters are slow it takes time to get one in position to loot the wreck. Plenty of time to shoot the wreck.

On the other hand, I propose a couple of new modules. "Remote shield extenders" increases the shields of the target. "Remote shield hardeners", well you get the idea. These would allow escorts in empire to actually defend a ship.

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HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#83 - 2012-09-18 16:10:58 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main.



OMG are you serious? I am sure you use your real life name in game? PLease also list your address SSN, ISP and credit card info if you would be so kind. I cant see anyone being this childish unless your trying to get the post lock????
Elliot Plaude
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-09-18 16:11:01 UTC
You get concorded for shooting yellow wrecks keep in mind.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2012-09-18 16:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Elliot Plaude wrote:
sure looks like those 6 ships had to risk a lot to kill this freighter in high sec....

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14499546

By overstocking his freighter with goods, the freighter pilot took the risk in pursuit of a reward.
If this happened in lowsec, would you still be complaining?
Elliot Plaude
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-09-18 16:15:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Elliot Plaude
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
That is a beautiful piece of gamesmanship right there. These guys are playing EVE at a high level. The have a deep understanding of aggression, tanking, and DPS mechanics, and sacrificed just under a billion in ships and fittings. They deserved all the rewards they reaped, and we should all aspire to play at that level in whatever our chosen style is.

I agree completely. I do wish to see freighters being used for more than carrying large amounts of junk and ore though.

Although anyone wanting to avoid hot ganking spots could just man up and buy a JF and jump around those areas.
Shpenat
Ironman Inc.
Transgress
#87 - 2012-09-18 16:15:56 UTC
The risk vs reward is fine here. You need single corp mate to be bump-proof (and it can be your alt).

The attackers has to be at least 2 persons with quite lot of accounts.
Imp Palpatin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2012-09-18 16:16:56 UTC
Something should be done about this. Goons have no honor and CCP is clearly making the game to benefit them.

Now excuse me while I roll around in my piles and piles of ISK.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#89 - 2012-09-18 16:17:41 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
Elliot Plaude wrote:
sure looks like those 6 ships had to risk a lot to kill this freighter in high sec....

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14499546

I don't understand why people carry around high value prints in a ship with a giant bullseye painted on the side...



So they can come to the forums and cry how cruel the EVE world is and try get some sympathy from other people who have lost ships because they failed to understand Rule # 23.




Maybe you should re-visit the multiple post where a DEV stated ganking in hi-sec was not meant to be profitable. Exploits and flawed mechanics should be addressed.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2012-09-18 16:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Buck Futz
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main.



OMG are you serious? I am sure you use your real life name in game? PLease also list your address SSN, ISP and credit card info if you would be so kind. I cant see anyone being this childish unless your trying to get the post lock????


No, they just want him to post with his main, so they can check to see which popped freighter was his.



Wow. Now "wah, my freighter got ganked threads".

Does this mean the carebear cry-campaign is now in full effect?
Josef Djugashvilis
#91 - 2012-09-18 16:20:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.


the problem is that you're undocking freighters with 30b isk of loot inside


I just wish I had 30 bill of anything to lose.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2012-09-18 16:22:09 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:

Maybe you should re-visit the multiple post where a DEV stated ganking in hi-sec was not meant to be profitable. Exploits and flawed mechanics should be addressed.

"someone blew up my velator with 60 PLEXes in it
CCP! you said ganking wasn't supposed to be profitable!!"
Robert De'Arneth
#93 - 2012-09-18 16:22:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert De'Arneth
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main.



OMG are you serious? I am sure you use your real life name in game? PLease also list your address SSN, ISP and credit card info if you would be so kind. I cant see anyone being this childish unless your trying to get the post lock????



Please do not equate real life issues to anything to do with this game. This is game based on reputation, posting on a one day alt and bashing a corp, crying about being ganked, has not one thing to do with real life!! If you are going to call people out, have the gnads to do it on an avatar you play, where you can get paid back in game. So I am serious, it is yellow and cowardly to cry on the forums with a toss away alt. :)

You have right to disagree, just like I have the right to call alt posting people cowards, after all they do it to avoid the backlash that comes from posting here with BS. :)


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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#94 - 2012-09-18 16:26:04 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
This is game based on reputation...


LOL!

You just bought that character didn't you?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#95 - 2012-09-18 16:26:56 UTC
Elliot Plaude wrote:
You get concorded for shooting yellow wrecks keep in mind.

And even blue wrecks! So use a ship you do not care about.

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#96 - 2012-09-18 16:27:52 UTC
Ganking, in general, in High Sec isn't supposed to be profitable. And isn't.

Ganking idiots who carry too much stuff, on the other hand, will be profitable no matter what gets done (herp lets carry 10 billion in my freighter derp), unless you see aggression eliminated in High Sec. Which would lead to a /lot/ of problems. Lets be perfectly clear here. I have a freighter. I have /no/ problem with people ganking freighters carrying more than a billion or so. They have a risk. There is a reward. The risk is, they don't get the gank, or the loot fairy is unkind. The reward is, the loot from the idiots who decided it was safe to carry 3 billion in a freighter.

It's mildly annoying that double wraps are getting ganked, as they're not always phat loot. Sometimes they're a subcontracted package.

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-09-18 16:28:45 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.


I laugh whenever i read this, sec status literally means nothing to a suicide ganker who is doing it right

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-09-18 16:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
WAHHWAHHWAHH

Edit: Which reminds me, i have ordered 100 thrashers + fitting to Sivala.
I don't care about profit, i just shoot things because they are AFK.

I favor pods, because i invest a million and kill potentially hundreds of millions or more.
But wait, there's more ! I even blast through shuttles to get the pod ! In one go !


Conclusion:

BUFF PODS ! BUFF SHUTTLES ! OF COURSE !
Because ****, idiots who autopilot hundreds of millions of isk should be protected !


Welcome to the Idiocrazy !
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-09-18 16:31:21 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
Elliot Plaude wrote:
sure looks like those 6 ships had to risk a lot to kill this freighter in high sec....

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14499546

I don't understand why people carry around high value prints in a ship with a giant bullseye painted on the side...



So they can come to the forums and cry how cruel the EVE world is and try get some sympathy from other people who have lost ships because they failed to understand Rule # 23.




Maybe you should re-visit the multiple post where a DEV stated ganking in hi-sec was not meant to be profitable. Exploits and flawed mechanics should be addressed.


Except the only way to do that would be to make sure nothing ever drops from a wreck. Why do you ask? Because there will always be an idiot carrying more than he should in value. You can carry billions worth of value in an ibis. Think about it. Are we supposed to make the caldari starter ship have enough tank to not be a worthwhile gank target because he can fill his cargo hold with T2 BPO?

The problem is not with the possibility of ganking. The problem is with the fact people carry to much around in single load.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-09-18 16:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Skippermonkey
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Ganking, in general, in High Sec isn't supposed to be profitable. And isn't.

I also laugh whenever i read this

Suicide ganking isnt by design profitable/unprofitable (by all means quote CCP Greyscale if you are content to see EVE plunge down the carebear toilet)

What makes or breaks this is the decisions made by the pilot of the target ship in question.

If the potential cargo drop (plus the value of the ship/pod if that is also the target) is at or below the cost of destroying the target under the 'watchfull' eyes of CONCORD then it is more likely to happen.

tl:dr pilots that stuff too much value into paper thin tanks deserve all they get

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION