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gabrial13

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#581 - 2012-10-08 20:34:01 UTC

Xolve wrote:

gabrial13 wrote:

So Noir. hasnt been in the news lately , whats your point?

Surely by 'lately' you mean 'years', and that friend is our point.

okay for the 3rd time and i say this to all goonswarm members in this thread so there is no confusion
Noir. has not been in the news for years , But what is your point relating to this thread, you have told me
that is not about me being in Noir. so I should not be allowed to post my thoughts on the subject.
Okay , then please for the love of god tell me what your point is.

And on a more joyful note, i love my alliance , we get T-shirts.

Xolve

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#582 - 2012-10-09 08:41:15 UTC

gabrial13 wrote:

okay for the 3rd time and i say this to all goonswarm members in this thread so there is no confusion
Noir. has not been in the news for years , But what is your point relating to this thread...

Since this thread is directly discussing GoonSwarm, and the members of GoonSwarm's activities I would venture to say that anyone in GoonSwarm can **** this up as they please, preferrably free of the boring and uninformed opinions of 'space mercenary' pubbies and their redundant questions about their misconstrued heteronormative killboard **** measuring contests.

Pipa Porto

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#583 - 2012-10-09 09:00:40 UTC

Xolve wrote:

misconstrued heteronormative killboard **** measuring contests.

Wouldn't those be andronormative or something like that? I mean, unless there's some **** to **** length conversion chart. I mean, heteronormative would imply there's some male-female interaction going on, and from what I understand that's not common in these contests.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 223
eddie valvetino Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 223	#584 - 2012-10-09 12:58:31 UTC Robert De'Arneth wrote: You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main. posting in pointless thread with main

NEONOVUS

Mindstar Technology

Goonswarm Federation

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#585 - 2012-10-09 13:51:05 UTC | Edited by: NEONOVUS

Neat just saw one in Niarja sadly missed the bump
But I can say that at no point was there an abuse of mechanics aside from bumping
Which is needed to get out of range of the gate guns.
Total time was under 30 seconds
involved people, well go look at the kill mail
But yeah other than the bumping I have no issue.
The bumping of 216 km does seem a bit absurd.
And none of the oh just web it would have helped
they had a scout on one side of the gate and the gank squad off grid in the other.
There really is no defense due to time and the bumper.
Concord was killing a good 10 secs after the freighter popped.


Pipa Porto Likes received: 1,548	#586 - 2012-10-09 15:14:03 UTC NEONOVUS wrote: There really is no defense due to time and the bumper. Have friends to Suicide Gank the bumper. Don't fly with a load worth ganking for. Have a scout so you can split your load and go through those few systems a couple times with loads not worth ganking for. Bam. Two (and a half) defenses. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto

NEONOVUS

Mindstar Technology

Goonswarm Federation

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#587 - 2012-10-09 15:35:51 UTC

Pipa Porto wrote:

NEONOVUS wrote:

There really is no defense due to time and the bumper.

Have friends to Suicide Gank the bumper.
Don't fly with a load worth ganking for.
Have a scout so you can split your load and go through those few systems a couple times with loads not worth ganking for.

Bam. Two (and a half) defenses.

Suicide ganking to prevent suicide ganking is just nano gangs all over again
There should be no need to beat a playstyle by only using the same.
Also a gankable load is 1 bil isk.

Pipa Porto

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#588 - 2012-10-09 15:41:32 UTC | Edited by: Pipa Porto

NEONOVUS wrote:

Pipa Porto wrote:

NEONOVUS wrote:

There really is no defense due to time and the bumper.

Suicide ganking to prevent suicide ganking is just nano gangs all over again
There should be no need to beat a playstyle by only using the same.
Also a gankable load is 1 bil isk.

You can also bring friends in high DPS or Alpha ships to destroy the gankers while they're GCC but before they can kill the Hulk.
There's a third.
You can also bring friends in ECM ships.
There's a fourth.

Those two and a half were simply what I came up with immediately.

So? There's a gankable limit, just as there always has been, and you're free to adapt to it or not as you choose.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

NEONOVUS

Mindstar Technology

Goonswarm Federation

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#589 - 2012-10-09 16:14:46 UTC

Pipa Porto wrote:

You missed the part where I said it was done in under 30 secs.
What is the warp time for 200km on your escorts?
followed by locking and ecm?
And if everyone does somehow manage they still bring more ships.
These ganks are difficult borderline impossible to prevent given their time span.
If it were a minute, then yes your points would be true and I would concede victory.
The only one of worth is the one on value, make yourself to cheap to gank by hauling under 1 bil.
though if that be the case, I say freighters should receive a speed boost in warp to make up for such longer trips.
Or rig slots.
Rig slots would be excellent in these cases.
Also why a hulk?
I thought those were made of Captain America's shield adamantium for how ungankable they are post patch.

Pipa Porto

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#590 - 2012-10-09 16:54:30 UTC | Edited by: Pipa Porto

NEONOVUS wrote:

You missed the part where I said it was done in under 30 secs.
What is the warp time for 200km on your escorts?

A Tornado can MWD faster than the Freighter can be bumped. So can a smartly fitted ECM boat.

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followed by locking and ecm?
And if everyone does somehow manage they still bring more ships.

Lock on approach. You just have to be within ~60km to ECM. Closer with DPS ships, but that's no problem.
Only if they want to lose money (plus, eventually they'll run out of non-GCC toons). Meanwhile, you can keep doing it all day since your ships are safe. Blackbirds are cheap.

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These ganks are difficult borderline impossible to prevent given their time span.
If it were a minute, then yes your points would be true and I would concede victory.
The only one of worth is the one on value, make yourself to cheap to gank by hauling under 1 bil.
though if that be the case, I say freighters should receive a speed boost in warp to make up for such longer trips.
Or rig slots.
Rig slots would be excellent in these cases.

1b has been around where Freighters have been safe for years. The only exception was before Bat Country figured out the bump gank to counter the Crucible Insurance Nerf (before Blah, Blah, Tornado, the Tornado costs more to lose than the Pre-Crucible Gank Mael).

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Also why a hulk?
I thought those were made of Captain America's shield adamantium for how ungankable they are post patch.

Where did I mention the Hulk here? By the way, the buff to the Hulk isn't particularly problematic. It's the Mackinaw whose unprofitable to gank even when the miner can't be bothered to fit a tank.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Horatioh Kane

Perkone

Caldari State

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#591 - 2012-10-10 09:51:58 UTC | Edited by: Horatioh Kane

Pipa Porto wrote:

Where did I mention the Hulk here? .

Pipa Porto wrote:

You can also bring friends in high DPS or Alpha ships to destroy the gankers while they're GCC but before they can kill the Hulk.

I'm not taking sides, but you explicitly mentioned the Hulk here.

EDIT:

Riot Girl wrote:

If you lose a ship because it's impractical to ensure it's protected, you deserve that loss.

Also we could really just empty quote this into the ground.

Pipa Porto

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#592 - 2012-10-10 14:35:01 UTC

Horatioh Kane wrote:

I'm not taking sides, but you explicitly mentioned the Hulk here.

Whoopes.

I meant to say Freighter. I blame months of having this exact conversation with Miners.

Quote:

EDIT:

Riot Girl wrote:

If you lose a ship because it's impractical to ensure it's protected, you deserve that loss.

Also we could really just empty quote this into the ground.

I would make a slight alteration.

Edited Riot Girl wrote:

If you lose a ship because you decide that it's impractical to ensure it's protected, you deserve that loss.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore 243
CraftyCroc Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore Likes received: 243	#593 - 2012-11-09 14:45:12 UTC 1 Granted freighters should limit the value of their cargo - the issue in my view is a social one. A lot of children play this game and as such take pleasure from upsetting others. I avoid high sec ganking as I like to think of myself as a decent person. Come into low/null however.....

CraftyCroc

Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore

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#594 - 2012-11-09 18:20:35 UTC

Beachura wrote:

Erm.. I have never been killed in my charon, I don't understand why individual pilots cannot follow some simple rules that kept me alive carrying expensive cargo:

Never autopilot (yes it's boring, but I'd rather be bored than dead) warping gate to gate at your computer very much decreases your chances of being ganked. (personally I used to autopilot with an empty cargo, due to the fact it's not extremely profitable to destroy an empty freighter but some individuals don't even do that)

If you suspect you have been scanned, dock or change route to avoid any 0.5 and 0.6 systems

There are intelligence channels for certain areas of high security, especially in uedama and niarja, join them

I'm sure many others in this thread will have additions to this list including scouts, but I find just those three rules keeps most pilots alive for months at a time. I have never lost a freighter.

1 billion isk to the guy who ganks his freighter

Regards

Cc

Perkone Caldari State 0
Tornard Perkone Caldari State Likes received: 0	#595 - 2012-11-18 08:50:18 UTC Goons start to ganking JF When CCP fix this ****? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15153758

Eugene Kerner

TunDraGon

Goonswarm Federation

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#596 - 2012-11-18 09:46:23 UTC

Pipa Porto wrote:

Horatioh Kane wrote:

I'm not taking sides, but you explicitly mentioned the Hulk here.

Whoopes.

I meant to say Freighter. I blame months of having this exact conversation with Miners.

Quote:

EDIT:

Riot Girl wrote:

If you lose a ship because it's impractical to ensure it's protected, you deserve that loss.

Also we could really just empty quote this into the ground.

I would make a slight alteration.

Edited Riot Girl wrote:

If you lose a ship because you decide that it's impractical to ensure it's protected, you deserve that loss.

No offense taken...you really could just copy paste and insert the new hull when it comes to discussions like this one....

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Eugene Kerner

TunDraGon

Goonswarm Federation

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#597 - 2012-11-18 09:51:40 UTC

Tornard wrote:

Goons start to ganking JF Shocked

When CCP fix this ****?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15153758

You are a pitty little man. 14*130 Million is the gamble. JF´s are harder to kill and 1,8 billion ISK at stake for the chance of ZERO Isk drop is a high risk. SO everything working as intended (do not give me that "butbut the jf is worth more...frozen water can sink big ships)

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Nar Zandev

Epidemic Inc.

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#598 - 2012-11-18 11:38:03 UTC

Eugene Kerner wrote:

Tornard wrote:

Goons start to ganking JF Shocked

When CCP fix this ****?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15153758

So how much chance for income is there when you gank only for lulz? Oh yea, right, cause when you are able to kill titan with a destroyer is all right :D (there is a meme for frig against titan somewhere :D or dev losses titan)

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17641147

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17644123

Eugene Kerner

TunDraGon

Goonswarm Federation

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#599 - 2012-11-18 12:52:47 UTC | Edited by: Eugene Kerner

Nar Zandev wrote:

Eugene Kerner wrote:

Tornard wrote:

Goons start to ganking JF Shocked

When CCP fix this ****?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15153758

you proof once more that we can be happy that freighters are actually ganked by people who understand the mechanics and not by your kind.

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Hedion University Amarr Empire 300
Shylari Avada Hedion University Amarr Empire Likes received: 300	#600 - 2012-11-18 22:34:42 UTC Tornard wrote: Goons start to ganking JF When CCP fix this ****? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15153758 You can't fix it, we will just figure out a way to keep doing it. Enjoy!