Crime & Punishment

Oh look someone who is new to the game coming up with good ideas that 2-4 year old players can't.
To all the frieghter pilots getting ganked out their I would be ashamed of myself if I got ganked and didn't even try and learn from it.
I look at every death I have as a chance to learn what I did wrong.
Get ganked? Cargo was too expensive for the hauling ship.
Get podded? Well maybe I shouldn't autopilot a pod when a shuttle is the smarter option.
Get killed 1v1'ing? was a good fight but I spilled spaghetti everywhere and didn't overheat correctly/keep up a tight orbit.

In each one of these cases I look at what I did wrong. Every time I die there is one person to blame and that is me.

Let's play deconstruct the terrible pubbie argument again :


Thats why i said bumping for an extended period of time.. of course any bump shouldn't be aggression but allowing players to bump someone in high sec indefinitely with no consequences is absurd.

This is way to much of a resource load for CCP, they'd have to keep track of a counter for the duration of a bump on every ship in space and they'd have to have a meaningful way of distinguishing between a harmless bump versus a malicious bump. This isn't even going anywhere near the physics engine that may have to be redefined. Your idea is not feasible with the current resources and hardware power that CCP has at their disposal.

The titan point is a good point but that in null/low where there is known to be more risk. In high sec though there should be less risk and ganking should not be as easy as it is now.

Ganking is the most nerfed activity in the game, it is already hard enough and should be made more easy. Ganking is also the only meaningful method of afflicting damage on a determined highsec foe. I will try to find the list of all the nerfs to highsec aggression / ganking but I think dignifying your travesty of a post with a response is good enough for now.

I was not saying remove any aggression timer what so ever i said make it 2 minutes or 3 something that makes it so you have a risk.

I'll tell you again this is a bad idea because it will allow ships that can absorb large amounts of damage to have a "reset or load from old save" option. "Logofski" was removed for a reason you can research the CCP Devblogs and forums for that reason yourself.

And only shorten the agression timer in high sec so that you still have time to kill your titans and super caps.

So you want to abate risk in highsec without proportionally reducing the reward in highsec. That is against one of the core tenets of the game, risk:reward. It also makes EVE less unique as it is one of the few MMOs that has meaningful consequences.

Also a freighter has like 150k ehp that can be alphad with a small gang of tornados. A freighter in high sec is not the same as a super cap.

You are clearly demonstrating here that you have no experience in ganking and that your view is myopic.

This is another case of null sec mechanic chage that has negativly effected high sec players. when you have 15 minutes in high sec (which is a lifetime in eve) if they log or unlimited time if they stay on and you bump there is no risk to you.

No this was a change for the betterment of the entire game removing logofski helps everyone. The lowsec pirate can kill that capital with their frigate swarm. The highsec ~pvper~ can kill the orca that they have tackled. The nullsec alliance can kill that supercap without worrying about it magically vanishing. Fixing logofski was a huge improvement in game mechanics.

You know exactly the ships you need to kill it there is no chance that you will fail in ganking the ship. You know it's cargo and that you will make isk. there is no risk on your side that you will fail.

You are correct. We worked for this though, CONCORD didn't hand it to us. We had to do all of the research, theorycrafting and experimenting ourselves. We had to practice our routine and make sure we knew it well enough to succeed.

You claim we have no risk, this is false. This will forever be false and let every pubbie that spouts that line of dung be infected with HSV-1. We have a very large amount of risk when investing in a gank.

The risks to us:
~Human error,
~Ships, guns, ammo, drones,
~Terrible loots drops,
~Allies of the freighter pilot,
~Pubbies trying to steal from us.

The risks to the freighter pilot:
~Being ganked*,
~Autopilot turning off via CCP magic.

*Is completely under player control and can be mitigated by their own decisions.

And if the only defense of the pilot being attacked is.."don't haul so much stuff" that is a stupid argument.

Explain this, why is the axiom "don't fly what you cannot afford to lose" a stupid argument? Why should you be permitted to increase your reward without having any proportional increase in risk? Why should your profession be able to perform without risk while everyone else (except miners) must cope with risk? Frankly your argument goes against one of the core tenets of the game and is in general bad.

And it's funny that you say i will completely ignore opposing view point.. I think you have me confused with a goon. You guys only consider what is good for you and the goons. ( who are the richest and most well off in this game) You never consider what is good for the game or other players. So get out of here with that bull **** statement like goons have ever considered anyone's arguments but their own.

You are ignoring the opposing view point. You state that one of the counter arguments is stupid and provide no corroboration. You forget that CSM 6 had two goons and was the most successful CSM to date which proves that we do consider what is best for players as a whole. Your last line there is basically standard anti-goon pubbie howling so continue on for our amusement please.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14791213
Another fine customer let down.

Just a observation but is this not the whole reason that tech 2 industrials where invented so you can transport expensive cargo with very little risk?
How about using orcas for transport since they can sport a very mean tank and can transport a large amount of goods? orcas can still be ganked though but it requires a little more effort.
Another solution could be allowing freighters to have fitting slots, or how about the micro jump drive that was in discussion a while back , just another option. In any case I think the this issue is really down lazy flying without scouts or escorts which can done , just speak to any Merc outfit and find out the price and options .
But i do see how it can be a problem for the freighter pilots and so a small change may be needed to help balance the situation just a little, but at the end of the day these ganks can be avoided.
Just my view but pretty much the same as everyone before me

I agree , as i said it is totally avoidable , but it would not be too bad if the freighters had some sort of customisation for fitting , this as you said would not stop ganks but it would likely provide extra sweet killmails and less of an excuse for the pilots who lose them.
Not saying a nerf is needed at all.

That and their leader is a brony.

Bumping causing damage is just stupid. Take a look at Jita 4-4 undock sometime.

You also realize that if you gave freighters fitting and rig slots, the base statistics would have to be significantly reduced for both cargo and EHP.

Then the freighter pilots would proceed to fit their freighters with Cargo Expanders, kill their EHP - and get blown out of the water with even less effort than today. (And the best EHP mod -DC II's- don't really work while autopiloting, just saying.......)

We've already seen this with phenomenon with miners. They'd cargo fit, get killed and make loud unpleasant noises to CCP.

Eventually CCP decided that miners were simply too stupid to fit properly, and took the decision out of their hands entirely.
Not making this up, we've seen it.

Hmmm... I guess I should have said m**t**bate...

We're pleasuring ourselves by blowing up other people.

If anything it would be uh, you know ~~

^^ That right there gentlemen is what eve is all about, cut your bitching and play the game you damn well want, so there shooting freighters ,so what its part of the game , go dock up somewhere and spin your damn ship, or play wow,blizzard could do with more players,