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The reality of the goon freighter ganking in Uedema and neighboring systems.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#21 - 2012-09-18 14:05:18 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
Sure, because it's oh so practical for every freighter in empire to be guarded by a fleet of ships.

If you lose a ship because it's impractical to ensure it's protected, you deserve that loss.

Oh god.
Robert De'Arneth
#22 - 2012-09-18 14:05:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert De'Arneth
BillyBanter wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.



No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. Big smile


Sure, because it's oh so practical for every freighter in empire to be guarded by a fleet of ships.



I am not the one asking to be handed free reign in a game with Risk, you are. Also you are a posting on a 1 day alt, you have no cred accpet as coward and a whiner. Post on your main show us your kill mail from yesterday. Then get back to work and replace what you lost because you were stupid.

Smart people learn from their mistakes, whiners ask for buffs and nerfs. I think it is safe to say we know what you are.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#23 - 2012-09-18 14:10:10 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.


What? Deleting a character is bannable?



They did NOT say that. Learn how to argue properly.

They said RECYCLING is bannable.

Roll

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2012-09-18 14:10:45 UTC
Athena Themis wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.



LOL....no.



LOL...wrong.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Doddy
Excidium.
#25 - 2012-09-18 14:11:19 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.


Its only profitable because idiots cram valuables into one freighter and make it worth killing. Plus its more like 200k ehp than 100k.
BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-09-18 14:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: BillyBanter
They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#27 - 2012-09-18 14:14:40 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Learn how to argue properly.

I wasn't arguing. Perhaps this is an example of that hipster irony I've been hearing about?

Oh god.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#28 - 2012-09-18 14:17:06 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?


So what are they doing exactly? Suicide ganking with multiple alts until you're dead?

Oh god.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2012-09-18 14:22:13 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.


Crap, you just used a lot of words to produce it.

Risk - reward is fine. They calculate the risk (=loosing all their ships and sec) and search for targets that are justifying that risk and give the wanted reward (=Freighters with stupid pilots and way too much isk onboard).
It is a freight Vessel...more Tank plates would need a lot of space and cause a lot of additional weight which means you could not transport a lot of stuff...
It would have to have 300% slower and have 300% more align time....then we can think about it...

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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#30 - 2012-09-18 14:26:06 UTC
I've already proposed the solution to this. Make it impossible to attack anyone else from your own race. Make it impossible for other races to enter the Low-Sec or High-Sec space of any other race.

Then Goon Swarm or any other fuckwits will then have to grief in nullsec where they can be avoided.

Simples.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Vojk
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-09-18 14:26:27 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?


How about not being greedy and putting all your eggs in one basket?

This isn't abuse. This is punishment for stupidity. It also encourages people to consider alternative options, and if they don't have the capacity for that, they're going to be out of pocket.

Simple.
BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-09-18 14:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: BillyBanter
Riot Girl wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?


So what are they doing exactly? Suicide ganking with multiple alts until you're dead?


No, they keep the gankers logged off, probably easier on them and makes people less aware that there is a gank trap waiting.

Once a target jumps in, they bump the freighter to prevent it from warping or leaving, and they also shoot it with a rookie ship character so even if the pilot logs off, he will remain in space long enough for their gank characters to get in and get the kill. There's no escape once they've started bumping you, you can not get out of it. Concord will not help you, even though the bumper is effectively acting as a warp scrambler.
BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-09-18 14:27:38 UTC
Vojk wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?


How about not being greedy and putting all your eggs in one basket?

This isn't abuse. This is punishment for stupidity. It also encourages people to consider alternative options, and if they don't have the capacity for that, they're going to be out of pocket.

Simple.


If you bothered to check their freighter kills, you'd see that they don't care how much loot is being carried. They've targetted freighters with barely one billion of loot in the hold. They've also targetted freighters carrying nothing more than plastic wrap.
Robert De'Arneth
#34 - 2012-09-18 14:28:16 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?



Since you are oh so new, I am going to tell you how smart people use the map tools.

Click Map, go to filters selecet ships destroyed in last 24 hours, also look at pod kills in last 24 hours. If you see a system that has a lot of ships getting popped, smart people do not go there with a 1 billion + ISK Ship, unless they have backup, or are willing to take the RISK and lose their ship. Big smile


Also, you seem to have forgotten a very important rule of EVE Online, when you undock a ship anywhere at anytime, you have lost that ship until it is docked.

However, if you feel there is a group abusing the game and it's tools, you can report them and let CCP handle it, as it should be.

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#35 - 2012-09-18 14:28:38 UTC
very simple. get your own noob alt and as soon as goon pop a freighter pop the wreck, repeat and start ransoming goons

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-09-18 14:29:40 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?



Since you are oh so new, I am going to tell you how smart people use the map tools.

Click Map, go to filters selecet ships destroyed in last 24 hours, also look at pod kills in last 24 hours. If you see a system that has a lot of ships getting popped, smart people do not go there with a 1 billion + ISK Ship, unless they have backup, or are willing to take the RISK and lose their ship. Big smile


Also, you seem to have forgotten a very important rule of EVE Online, when you undock a ship anywhere at anytime, you have lost that ship until it is docked.

However, if you feel there is a group abusing the game and it's tools, you can report them and let CCP handle it, as it should be.



Thank you, i do feel that a group is abusing mechanics, the risk vs reward is very out of whack. I'm using this thread to bring attention to the matter.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-09-18 14:30:15 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.


the problem is that you're undocking freighters with 30b isk of loot inside

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#38 - 2012-09-18 14:30:19 UTC
So they log in and gank you as opposed to camping the gate and ganking you?

Oh god.
Doddy
Excidium.
#39 - 2012-09-18 14:35:22 UTC
All these freighters painted massive targets on thier heads by flying through a gank zone with with freighters worth ganking, no sympathy for any of them tbh.

If cargo value is greater than cost to gank*2, split cargo.

I can only find one freighter in question that breaches that rule and to be honest i think they made a mistake and thought it was 2 packages in wrap and took a punt.
BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-09-18 14:36:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.


the problem is that you're undocking freighters with 30b isk of loot inside


Do all Goons lie on the forums all of the time? Rarely is there such a kill, and when it is, it's usually from bpcs giving an incorrect amount in the kill mail. The majority of the freighters are carrying just a few billion at the most, and many have far less. Some have just plastic wrap.