Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know, hence the "falloff" term. DPS goes down the slop as one reaches the edge. Big question is if the Stabber was supposed to get a decent DPS in the first place or not. It doesn't look like it was suppose to.

I know people won't like what I will be saying here either, but let's not forget artillery could be an interesting subject in terms of Volley. Yes, Rupture does this better too, but let's just keep in mind of a cruiser that can come and go thanks to speed. The actual volley may be better than the already-craptastic-dps. One could use close range ammo and still trust the extra falloff range. It is not a solution, nor it is that better, but it will be a fun attribute to see. At least we're not just narrowed down to the same old Stabbabond fit.

Nonetheless. DPS is not everything, and when it is that lacking then bonuses should empower other fields.

Stabber is T1 so it can't be doing everything extraordinarily well. As much as I'd love it doing that much of an acceptable base DPS, it doesn't look like it is going to happen.

I will agree though that ROF is acceptable for being an Anti-Frigate platform -- but then again, that job seems to be now for the new tiericide'd Bellicose...


If there would be for a fifth turret, then yes, leaving ROF bonus would be fine. Having that highslot be removed for an extra med sounds plausible. Not sure how this would fit in to balance but it would still allow versatility.

Of course, there were hopes for a "better" Stabber than it was pre-tiericide, but in the end, it is an attack cruiser following whatever means of getting in and out fast.

Thing is also that it has been moved to this new aspect of Attack Cruiser, and not a Combat Cruiser (Rupture), so I'm guessing that is what causing the headaches with DPS. Although, I must say that a swap from ROF to DAMAGE would apply more uses for an artillery platform, but I am sure that people want to have a mini-Vagabond with ACs, not Arty.

Although I was against it at first, drones sound and are great, after all. Probably the only thing that would help without hurting other ships too much as drones are a standard.

These are all very valid points, I dont understand why the rupture has a double damage bonus instead of some manner of tank bonus while the attack ship is the one struggling to project any damage whatsoever, this is a complete failure from the rebalancing team IMO

Its a fair point, especially since the Bellicose will put out similar damage with hams at greater range, and has drones, and is almost as fast as the stabber, and provides ewar, and can use T2 ammo and choose damage type, and has more mids/lows (at loss of utility highs) and yet it is a Disruption cruiser

The Stabbers speed advantage is crap. You can fit overdrives/nanos to any other tiericided cruiser and still get a better/faster ship.
I like Alara's solution, though a focus on extra missile damage instead of drones again (we already have a huge powercreep in drone amount on the new cruisers).

Something like extending the ROF bonus to missiles and the falloff bonus to missile velocity, potentially with a higher prozentual value to account for the difficulty of boosting both weapon systems.

I certainly hope the Stabber gets some special attention, however be very carefull to compare dps directly against the other cruisers without looking into the advantages of the hull.

As mentioned earlier I believe it lacks a few light drones but the speed can still get you into and out of many situations. The only real problem as I see it is how to to survive once in that situation with other cruisers.

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So the reason the vaga is so good isn't due to its speed?

Speed, damage, projection, then a neut and drones to deal with tackle.

A vaga has literally twice the damage of a stabber, 50% more tank, more range, better sensors, etc

There's no place in this game for a nano-kitey Stabber with a 7.5% falloff bonus and omgwtfpwn speed. No way will this ship be able to keep range and kite other cruiser hulls. I can't possibly think of a 3 tracking enhancer fit that will omgwtfpwn frigates. Especially when the nuets will cap out other ships that are close range, and projectile ammo will ensure you will be able to hit the resist hole of those same frigates. Nope. The new Stabber is completely defenseless.