Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i was already striking at 90k or over i dont need that kinda range on criusers and the caras dps was crap as it stood with little over 400 dps with full 5% implants and navy mods.

just like the kestral before it its stupid bonuses to have on it criusers do not need to be striking at a base 90k just like the kestral did not need to be striking at a base 50k or more

The missile velocity bonus becomes very interesting as soon as you think outside of heavy missiles. HAMs will benefit a lot from this bonus. Same for light missile Caracal. Not because of long range with light missiles...it's because of missile speed to hit fast ships at medium range.

Uhm that would make things worse? At least on small scale

Being able to warp fast is one of the most important things you have solo/small gang.

Other way around then anything, I would rather not have the Caldari Rail Boat have to be a Faction Ship.

I would prefer they made the Moa good enough with Rails that people say "Fit Blasters on it are you crazy it's a Moa."

CCP leave Blaster focus to Gallente and stop sidelining sub large rail ships.

Ferox isn't a Brawler it is a broken Rail Boat.

So you say no one uses Rail Eagles / Ferox's / Moa's and bastardize them with Blasters?

Guess what you are right and that is the problem. CCP should not be converting these ships to their Shield Gallente bastardizations they should be fixing medium Rails and every Caldari hull they **** into the short range is a step backwards from that.

Medium Long Range Guns have problems, I would rather see this addressed then bandaged over with Blasters. Isn't that why we have been waiting so long for Ship Stat adjustments, so they will do it right?

-20% Penalty per lvl of Rig Skill Trained instead of -10%.

Armor Ships are Slow because of Plates, Shield are Fat because of extenders and no one has to take a double hit to either.

Also opens Astronautics on Armor Ships, Electronics on Shield, Weapons Rigs on tight fit ships and gives more reason to get those skill to V.

LR does not = Sniper.

Drake does good Dmg to 80km and they are well used. 720mm Artillery has its uses too.

Medium Long Range Weapons could be great in the Medium Range Category with proper attention and they should be.


Hell No.

If my basic weapons system needs faction specialized bonuses for base level use that is a problem.

If they want to make it a better Rail Boat then the Moa then Awesome. Right after they make the Moa a Rail Boat that works.

Glad you agree that long range medium weapons are getting the shaft.

Perfect reason to fix the Rail Moa instead of bastardizing it.

The Stabber in its current proposed form still has the same problem it always did, mainly, a lack of purpose and mission, otherwise known as a reason to exist.

The Stabber was one of those “that would be neat ideas” that never really developed into a viable playing concept outside of limited nitchdom, not because the ship is that bad, but because as it is currently designed by the time you can fly a Stabber well, you can fly a Hurricane, and lets face it when you match the two up aside each other, the Hurricane can do everything the Stabber can do better, faster and sexier.

What the Stabber really needs to be viable is a purpose, a mission, that only the Stabber can perform. I propose that the Stabber needs to be the EVE Online version of the WWII PT boat. It in short needs torpedoes.

Here me out. Torpedoes are short range, high damage devices. Like Stealth Bomber, it requires teamwork. One Stabber is not going to propose a great danger to any larger ship. However, a squadron of Stabbers making a high speed torpedo run on a large ship is guaranteed to get the attention of any large ship captain.

To deliver the torpedo attack, the Stabber has to enter the high risk area of getting within web range of the enemy ship. The PT boat concept fits perfectly with stated Minmatar design goal for the Stabber, as a high speed hit and run combat ship.

My only remaining concern with the Stabber as currently proposed is the single drone drone bay. In my opinion, a single drone is worthless. Either make it big enough for full flight of 5 small drones if you believe the Stabber needs the extra drone based DPS, or get rid of it altogether and focus on the primary DPS delivery system.

Speaking of drones, several authors on this thread have expressed concern about the proliferation of drone bays on non-drone boat ships throughout EVE is diminishing the value of dedicated drone boating, and I have to say I agree with their concerns.

My suggestion for fixing this would be only allow tech 1 drones on non dedicated (read no drone bonuses) boats or alternatively allow them to only them fly the racial tech II drone of the race that designed the ship.

One possible way to accomplish this would be to say a Minmatar vessel with a 25 MHz bandwidth drone bay would be able to fly five Warriors II (the Minmatar light combat drone) but any other race drone take twice the bandwidth, so only two of the “foreign” as Minmatar vessels are optimized for Minmatar drones, and less efficient with drones of other races. So if the Minmatar vessel has a 25 MHz bandwidth, it could fly 5 Warrior II, or 2 light drones of any other race for example the Gailante Hobgoblin II’s. There would be no penalty for using Tech I drones, any and all Tech1 drones could be flown any vessel without penalty to bandwidth.

There you have it, my off the cuff musings tossed out for public discussion.

People have already begun talking about last batch of cruisers....Fozzie where is the last batchof changes.

Please consider following bonus for Moa:

+30% tracking per level on RAILS only. (might be too much but you get the idea)
+%5 resists per level
6 turrets