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Best all around T3
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Ark Anhammar
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-09-17 09:06:49 UTC
First, I know this is Eve and everything is "best" at something. My question, though, is about T3s. If you had to only train for one T3, which one would it be and why? If you'd fly an X to do Y then say that.

(for me personally, I'm looking to pilot a Proteus, because I like what it offers for pvp (strong cloaks dps, long point, etc.).

Your thoughts?
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#2 - 2012-09-17 09:24:19 UTC
Loki is the best all-round T3, it's nicely balanced, very versatile and (in usual Minnie style) is better than simple EFT numbers might suggest. Personally I'm not a fan of of the Proteus as it's too one dimensional, using the headfirst approach with a 700+ mil ship just doesn't make sense to me. Legion is "terrible" compared to the others as its use is quite limited and the Tengu is ofcourse a favorite and for good reason.

I'd choose between Tengu and Loki based on play style and general pvp scenarios.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2012-09-17 10:20:43 UTC
Depends on where you'll be flying.

In nullsec, perhaps the best T3 is not a T3, but something cheaper that you can lose to blobs. Or any T3 that your follows your blob doctrine.

In lowsec, 100MN AB Tengu fares well. Loki might be solid choice as well, I don't normally fly my Proteus there due to vulnerability to kiting.

In w-space, the Proteus is a real beast, both as a cloaky (solo, heavy tackle, general pew) and in logi gangs, in which Legion also works well.

In hisec retardation faggotry brick slaved Proteus with Legion links, pair of neutral Guardians and 7 Falcon alts so you too can be the king of the undock.


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William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#4 - 2012-09-17 12:30:53 UTC
Amarr because I like the way it looks. #swag

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Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-09-17 12:45:13 UTC
Proteus seems the ideal lone lowsec pirate and gate camper, thats where I encounter them most anyway.

I personaly prefere the Tengu, nice solo ship PvE/PVP, great in small gangs, easy to fit and fly, which gives you more time to keep an eye on your surroundings when pvp-ing in hostile terratory, great action range.

And it's the ship, that due to it's PvE greatness, will be earned back reasonable fast, Isk wise.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#6 - 2012-09-17 14:34:51 UTC
I'd say the tengu and loki are about even for all-around usefulness.

thhief ghabmoef
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#7 - 2012-09-17 14:38:40 UTC
Loki overall, no doubt about it.
Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#8 - 2012-09-17 15:02:44 UTC
Ark Anhammar wrote:
If you had to only train for one T3, which one would it be and why?

Loki. No other comes close.

Might not be the best at anything, but you can always make a fit that's viable.

Got blog: http://thecloakedones.blogspot.com
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-09-17 15:05:41 UTC
loki....

pick shield or armour tank (its accepted for both widely)

capless gun use

as a booster...everyone likes or can at least use speed and agility. Got a melting pot of all races in the roam/fleet/wing/etc....its probably the most useful universal booster of em all.
Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#10 - 2012-09-17 15:06:50 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
I'd say the tengu and loki are about even for all-around usefulness.

Say that the FC talks about Guardians and stuff... then if you want to bring a Tengu there's really only one role you can fit it for. A Loki on the other hand can have several roles and uses, no matter tanking-doctrine.

Got blog: http://thecloakedones.blogspot.com
Ark Anhammar
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-09-17 23:57:04 UTC
wow so it really seems like Loki is the best all arounder. What's lacking in the Proteus or Loki?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-09-18 02:16:49 UTC
Proteus has either range or DPS issues. They are great for wormholes, because you always land on your target and they are decent for nullsec ganking because they are the only T3 that can can fit a decent tank and still have 700DPS nullified. With rails its respectable DPS ...kinda and a MONSTER MONSTER tank, or a crazy tanked lach.

Legion has much the same issue, other then a a couple special configs (100mn HAM, and stupid tanked curse) It has either range or DPS issues.

Loki is likely the best all rounding, its just very very very skill intensive, you can fit it like a 80k ehp arty/AC's cane, Its arguably the best boosting ship, it decent for scouting, scanning, travel.....what ever.

Tengu is good at Tengu, which is essentially your 100Mn with booster, 10mn AB Thundercat. or active tanked carebear bot.
Laenith McMugan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-09-18 12:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Laenith McMugan
I like the proteus. I use it and it's quite nice but I really prefer the Legion hull.
Mary Jayne Sativa
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-09-18 16:19:08 UTC
If we are talking general pvp Loki is the king IMO (note i wrote IMO!)
It can shieldtank, armortank, has nice bonuses (everyone likes longer web/point and speed), cloaky version is highest DPS of all T3 (nice for solo), has long range webs, has good tank/DPS ratio in general.
As most minmatar ships its jack of many trades.

Second place would be proteus couse of sheer DPS madness.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#15 - 2012-09-18 17:00:15 UTC
Mary Jayne Sativa wrote:
If we are talking general pvp Loki is the king IMO (note i wrote IMO!)
It can shieldtank, armortank, has nice bonuses (everyone likes longer web/point and speed), cloaky version is highest DPS of all T3 (nice for solo), has long range webs, has good tank/DPS ratio in general.
As most minmatar ships its jack of many trades.

Second place would be proteus couse of sheer DPS madness.


cloaky loki doesn't have the best dps of all T3
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-09-18 23:00:43 UTC
But 20% less than the Prot feels like the best when you got enough sativa

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Merc Drifter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-09-19 00:15:42 UTC
The loki has the second highest paper dps

but you can chose damage types which means you will get higher dps, if you know the resist hole is going to be not that of the proteus

also if you fit it right you get a utility high so you get a neut to kill those pesky active tank ratters
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#18 - 2012-09-19 02:48:37 UTC
Merc Drifter wrote:
The loki has the second highest paper dps

but you can chose damage types which means you will get higher dps, if you know the resist hole is going to be not that of the proteus

also if you fit it right you get a utility high so you get a neut to kill those pesky active tank ratters


agree, projectile have versatile damage profile. In a "not ganking ratters scenario" proteus still has best dps and best buffer. What makes Loki shine even more atm though is xasb and ridiculous omnitank
Kielo Night
Kismesis
#19 - 2012-09-19 03:57:41 UTC
The Proteus, Legion, Loki, and Tengu are the best t3s.
Ark Anhammar
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-09-19 04:26:49 UTC
Kielo Night wrote:
The Proteus, Legion, Loki, and Tengu are the best t3s.

You must be a hit at the douchebag parties!
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