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New site for Declarations of War, complete with Ripard Teg vs the CSM

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Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-09-17 08:49:48 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1.


Irrelevant, remember?

Epic Vulture: it's been suggested more than once. Vile Rat was to be our candidate for CSM8 and as we're still coming to terms with what that means for us personally and organizationally, making concrete plans about elections to be held in another 6 or 7 months from now with the general level of paranoid schizophrenia coming out of this pack, it seems premature to stake a claim at this time.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2012-09-17 12:00:28 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Epic Vulture wrote:
Have you considered running for CSM?

Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1.

Heh, wonder what they'll have next.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#23 - 2012-09-17 12:20:39 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1.


Irrelevant, remember?

Epic Vulture: it's been suggested more than once. Vile Rat was to be our candidate for CSM8 and as we're still coming to terms with what that means for us personally and organizationally, making concrete plans about elections to be held in another 6 or 7 months from now with the general level of paranoid schizophrenia coming out of this pack, it seems premature to stake a claim at this time.


Vile Rat said he was pretty worn out from CSM 6 and wasn't gonna run for CSM 7 because of that.

Was he feeling much better, or that he had enough time set aside to make a serious run?

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#24 - 2012-09-17 12:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleene
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
I'm surprised you even posted the podcast. I'm guessing you saw it as a "CSM Victor!"?

You guys seriously came off as childish and petty and overly defensive throughout the podcast.

Everyone knows I'm not a Ripard fan at all ... yet, he comes out of this making the bunch of you look pretty foolish.

First the voting reform thread ... and now this.


The voting thread has been explained ad nauseum as something that should not have happened. If I had been near a computer before it went live, I would have raised objections. Due to RL stuff I wasn't. **** happens, it was rectified in a few days, so stop harping on it as if there was some hidden agenda. I don't personally care if the system changes or stays the same but am fine with the discussion.

As for this podcast, yeah, there was some pent up frustration because Ripard can say whatever he wants about 'never being invited' to a podcast or onto EVE Radio, etc... Voices of the Void, three EVE Radio DJ's and others have tried for months to get the guy to come out from behind his wall of words. I don't buy that he didn't know about any of those efforts at all. I also didn't feel the least bit defensive at all during this; I was fine with finally having the chance to confront the guy and ask him some questions as well. The only way he makes us look like fools is if you buy into his, "I know literally everything about everything." attitude. v0v

EDIT - Just read NosyGamer's latest blog and he seems to understand why some of us felt "defensive":

The Bully Pulpit And CSM 7

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#25 - 2012-09-17 13:02:54 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Courthouse wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1.


Irrelevant, remember?

Epic Vulture: it's been suggested more than once. Vile Rat was to be our candidate for CSM8 and as we're still coming to terms with what that means for us personally and organizationally, making concrete plans about elections to be held in another 6 or 7 months from now with the general level of paranoid schizophrenia coming out of this pack, it seems premature to stake a claim at this time.


Vile Rat said he was pretty worn out from CSM 6 and wasn't gonna run for CSM 7 because of that.

Was he feeling much better, or that he had enough time set aside to make a serious run?


I'm not sure he was 'worn out' but it was definitely not something he had the time for. There are a few examples of CSM members serving multiple terms by skipping a run. AFAIK, Mittens wasn't planning to run again but Vile was likely going to. I would have loved it if he could. He would have been a great member of the team and likely been Chariman regardless of any system put in place.

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2007-2010: CCP Game Designer | 2011-2013: CSM6 Delegate & CSM7 Chairman

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2015- : Mercenary Coalition Boss

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#26 - 2012-09-17 13:11:01 UTC
Well its too bad, VR died, so we will never know his campaign strategy and what he hoped to do with it.

But at least mittens dreamed of getting more votes then just the goon ones. But I suppose we will never see Vile Rat try to do that .

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Vena Saris
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-09-17 23:08:35 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Well its too bad, VR died, so we will never know his campaign strategy and what he hoped to do with it.

But at least mittens dreamed of getting more votes then just the goon ones. But I suppose we will never see Vile Rat try to do that .

Seeing as how Courthouse ran his last campaign...
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#28 - 2012-09-18 05:25:52 UTC
^ That is kind of funny, I had always thought mittens ran his last campaign.

Quotes from his tentonhammer blog:

"Due to the anticipated higher turnout and the new top-seven rule, I expect that most of the nullsec blocs will only run one candidate for CSM7, where three (GSF, the Northern Coalition, and XIX) managed to get two seats each under CSM6."

"Vile Rat, White Tree is likely to sit out and unless I screw up and my readers stop voting for me en masse, the Chair is likely to be mine."

But anyhow, VR told me in the forums, that he was actually tired of all the work or had no time for what was required and decided to not run based on that, rather then CCP cutting down the number of CSM, and the friendly fire he would give mittens or other goons, if he ran for CSM.

So, I suppose you could argue no one but him ran, his campaign, but the paranoia runs on.

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Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-09-18 05:58:09 UTC
rodyas wrote:
So, I suppose you could argue no one but him ran, his campaign, but the paranoia runs on.


I managed the campaign during the campaign portion. It's not paranoia, it's phrasing. By "ran" he means "managed". And by campaign he means the period of time between deciding to run, formulating a strategy and managing the day to day of the campaign up until the moment voting closes.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#30 - 2012-09-18 06:12:45 UTC
Well, sadly, I never knew about the CSM until the incarna stuff or so.

So I don't remember vile rats campaign at all. Perhaps to help dispell the paranoia, what was his running platform like, when he made CSM?

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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2012-09-18 07:24:33 UTC
Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-09-18 19:18:43 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade

Is Ripard on this podcast too?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2012-09-18 19:36:14 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade

Is Ripard on this podcast too?

Nope ^^ #exclusive

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-09-18 19:59:43 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade

Is Ripard on this podcast too?

Nope ^^ #exclusive

Then why would you categorize it as a bookend to your podcast?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#35 - 2012-09-18 20:02:07 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade

Is Ripard on this podcast too?

Nope ^^ #exclusive

Then why would you categorize it as a bookend to your podcast?

Because it was after a meeting with CCP which OK'd the release of a few more details about some stuff and because Hans and Seleene talk with incredible frankness about the current activity of particular CSMs which were both touched on in the DoW episode with Ripard.

Or you could listen to it.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-09-18 20:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade

Is Ripard on this podcast too?

Nope ^^ #exclusive

Then why would you categorize it as a bookend to your podcast?

Because it was after a meeting with CCP which OK'd the release of a few more details about some stuff and because Hans and Seleene talk with incredible frankness about the current activity of particular CSMs which were both touched on in the DoW episode with Ripard.

Or you could listen to it.
That podcast is 4 hours 30 minutes long. Give us a timestamp so we don't have to listen to the whole damned thing. Lost in EVE is too ridiculously long to bother with otherwise.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-09-18 20:48:03 UTC
Alternately, you could give it to the playerbase in text form, or does the idea of players being informed without listening to at least 2 of you verbally jerk off all over each other for a while make you uncomfortable?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-09-18 20:50:46 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Hans and Seleene talk with incredible frankness about the current activity of particular CSMs.
I am looking forward to learning what your definition of "incredible frankness" is.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2012-09-18 20:50:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
That podcast is 4 hours 30 minutes long. Give us a timestamp so we don't have to listen to the whole damned thing. Lost in EVE is too ridiculously long to bother with otherwise.

CSM portion starts at 28min and goes still 1h49

EDIT: man Poetic is gonna literally parse me on this. Can i downgrade to simply "credible" frankness?

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-09-18 20:58:04 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
CSM portion starts at 28min and goes still 1h49

EDIT: man Poetic is gonna literally parse me on this. Can i downgrade to simply "credible" frankness?


How about we settle for "give us a ******* transcript so we can judge for ourselves without having to listen to an hour's worth of podcast we clearly don't give a **** about". I mean don't you guys have a ******* secretary and everything for this?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

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