Jita Park Speakers Corner

Awesome, thanks. (CSM junkies, psshh, I am just waiting for the CSM action figures to come out, then I go cold turkey)

I wanted to comment on the CSM 6 with the media. I feel like they had an easier time or it was less of a trap for them. They could talk about a lot of game or development issues that were already public and not sure to meet the NDA hammer in the face.

I feel like CSM 7 would have a lot more to talk about or to the media, but it is all NDA'ed out. They aren't really whining a lot either, so I tell myself they hear good things then.

Also for the trap part, CSM 7 could take stuff to the media or bring them in, only for CCP to tell the media that it is NDA's right now, so why are they standing there, when they should be off reporting on other stories, until CCP has something ready to talk about.

The only thing that disturbs me so far, is CCP's greed towards DUST, but I suppose its the only thing CCP can talk about, so that is all they do talk about.

(Also wanted to add, that we have already seen the worst case scenario, where CCP and CSM conspire together and never tell the players or media, The voting reform threads)

not really. On the question of tech though, I put a poll up whether you think Ripard's right and the tech alchemy made things worse than before or the CSM guys were right that it's not The Fix but at least a step in the right direction. Will be interesting to see the results.

Posting 2 public discussion threads about voting reform isn't much of a secret conspiracy...

Starts a post with Ya'll's and calls other people dumb

Really sums it up doesn't it.

Nicely slanted poll.

Ripard didn't argue that it was worse or a step in the right direction. He argued that it wasn't a fix at all. It was a rollback. Yet, you didn't offer that as an option.

You're kind of directing people to the answer you want. Even Ripard would have to answer "step in the right direction", since he didn't feel it made things worse. He simply believes that it didn't do much of anything at all.

I'm pretty sure, having been there and listened to it after the fact, he said *exactly* the words the change made things worse, and furthermore that tech alchemy was a Bad Thing was his overall point. I'm not sure how else you could characterize his argument; i thought he made himself pretty clear and laid out his point of view very articulately.

If you thought Ripard did well and the CSM members did not, that's cool. Several people have said it went the other way. I think there's a case to be made on both sides, that's why it's controversial. Players are smart enough to make up their own minds.

But "First the voting reform thread now this" what does that even mean lol?

It was a conspiracy for who knows how long, then trebor leaked it onto this forum. Making it a public conspiracy. Then CCP Xhagen came in for damage control, but I didn't read it, so I don't know if it worked or not.

As for the tech question, not sure where your poll is, but I kind of view, both jester and CSM as winners in a way. Even CCP won I suppose as well.

Like it was only designed to nerf the tech deals and overly high prices, which it did and its nicer. But CCP stated they were gonna price fix the tech, to the 2010 or 2011 lvls. Like Jester doesn't like. Which I kind of supported the price fixing, but it is still a bit hard to deal with the overwhelming must have tech all the time.

Figured I'd speak down to your level.

So what kind of steps would be needed to address the issue, to avoid a repeat of events like we have just recently observed on these very forums, nay, this very thread ?

You know how you go to grade school and they teach you these patriotic little half-lies like "We celebrate Columbus Day because Christopher Columbus discovered America" or "Isaac Newton discovered gravity when an apple fell and hit him on the head"?

So when you're little that's what you understand. Then you grow up a little and you realize that the real story is like 6 degrees deeper and has all of these connotations attached to them, vis a vis Colombus was inadvertently responsible for mass native deaths or Newton was only 24 when he developed Calculus and he couldn't codify this until he had reasoned out planetary motion and didn't publish a theory of gravity until Principia when he was 45.

These realizations suddenly mean that the depth of knowledge and understanding of the principles related to these formerly simple concepts are vast in comparison to your previous conceptualization and therefore understanding the consequences is a much more complex process.

That's the CSM. The people in there now are still talking about how awesome Columbus was with his 3 ships and their fair trade practices with the natives and how a young newton got bonked on the head and ~magically~ worked out the universal laws of planetary motion right there on the spot.

tl;dr: They're simple figureheads who barely understand the rudimentary parts of what the CSM is and certainly have no concept of how to use it effectively, and that's without going into their complete lack of political understandings or systems of power and influence.

Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1.