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Induced lag exploit? Or just bad programming?

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-09-15 14:51:29 UTC
Personally, I like the bit where the insurance co. sends out the mail before you even blow up! Lol
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-09-15 16:33:32 UTC
Speaker4 theDead wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…or maybe it's time to memtest you graphics card.



Thanks, already did that..

And considering I've never seen this issue before, and it just happens to happen when I jump into a lowsec gatecamp? Must be the card right?
19 ships in system, 9 on the gate. You'd think it would have happened in a place like Jita, or in the jita pipe with quite a few more ships in system and on gate. But you go on and defend your CCP gods...I'm sure they'll reward you....Lol

I'm introducing you to this concept called occam's razor.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-09-15 16:37:57 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm introducing you to this concept called occam's razor.
Thing about occam's razor is that it's easier to cut yourself shaving. Blink
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#24 - 2012-09-15 17:45:24 UTC
Sure looks like an overheated graphics card to me, but it certainly might be something triggered by a remote effects action like missile swarms or neuting that you rarely see in HiSec.

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#25 - 2012-09-15 20:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Had it happen to me as well, flying through lowsec. Was warping to a gate, and the screen freezes the instant it loads the people camping the gate. After a few seconds you're in station, without ever seeing your ship or pod explode.

Clearly an exploit. I'm using a GTX580 with optimal cooling, and nothing ever lags. Not even BF3 on the highest settings. I know some of you are probably well aware of this, and are covering it up for some easy killmails, but it really ruins things in the long run. I used to enter lowsec all the time, now i avoid it like the plague. All you're succeeding in doing is making lowsec even more empty.

Actually cancelled my sub over it. Game breaking exploits which CCP refuses to acknowledge or might even allow is some serious BS. If they're completely unaware of it, then even more reason to unsub.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-09-15 21:04:20 UTC  |  Edited by: TriadSte
Indeed that is graphics cards related but that IS NOT overheating, ill tell you why.

The picture posted is not artifacts at all because you can clearly see that the dodgy picture follows the lasers from the left.

When a GPU overheats or is on its deathbed the artifacts wont be localised like this is here. Here is a pic I have from when my old X800 XT died years ago

http://imageshack.us/a/img819/1847/shot0002ep.jpg

Very different indeed.

Agreeing though with OP this kind of thing has happened to me before also.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#27 - 2012-09-15 21:12:06 UTC
Actually, in the OPs screenshot those are definitely artifacts. I didn't have anything like that happen in my case.

But what's important is that people are experiencing graphics problems and lag ONLY when a gatecamp is trying to catch people.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#28 - 2012-09-15 21:24:53 UTC
Actually, that screenshot looks exactly like a problem that I had occasionally when undocking or coming out of warp with people in close proximity with sensor boosters, etc. on.

It was an overheating issue brought on by a fan that had gotten partially clogged with dust.

I'd check the more obvious things first before screaming exploit.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-09-15 21:30:03 UTC
As I was saying, occam's razor.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#30 - 2012-09-15 22:00:22 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
As I was saying, occam's razor.


The simplest explanation for people only having this problem at gatecamps is that it's an exploit. The odds are greatly against this problem only happening at that time by chance.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Doddy
Excidium.
#31 - 2012-09-15 22:25:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
People don't only have it at gate camps though,. When they have it in other circumstances that works their cards that don't involve fiery ship death and a new clone they shrug it off and forget about it in minutes, and are certainly less likely to come cry on the forums about it. I used to get a similar thing on my old PC when i first entered blood complexes and was opened up on by a mass of lazors. It was down to a faulty fan on the graphics card leading to overheat. i got round it by turning effects off.

Now that i have a new pc i can watch pretty lasers again :).
Typherian
V.O.I.D.
Pandemic Legion
#32 - 2012-09-16 00:25:55 UTC
Yup obviously the campers magically took control of your computer to **** up your graphics card. Couldn't just be that jumping into that many SEBO effects **** with your computer or anything. ERMAGHERD I CAN RUN BF3 MAX GFX IT CAN'T BE THE COMPUTER. HAX. Jesus christ almighty I swear the average person is just getting dumber and dumber. Next they will be saying that CCP is secretly turning up the DPS from their mission rats or something to make them buy more plex.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#33 - 2012-09-16 01:24:12 UTC
Doddy wrote:
People don't only have it at gate camps though,. When they have it in other circumstances that works their cards that don't involve fiery ship death and a new clone they shrug it off and forget about it in minutes.


You're forgetting that i'm someone who's had this problem, and i sure as hell would have noticed the screen freeze for that long before.

Anyway, since you always think exploits are impossible until CCP confirms them there's no point in even arguing it.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-09-16 02:20:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Delen Ormand
Bane Necran wrote:


But what's important is that people are experiencing graphics problems and lag ONLY when a gatecamp is trying to catch people.


Not only on gatecamps. I've had this a number of times, most often when ratting, but I've had it approaching Jita as well. It's not necessarily when there's hostile players doing things. From what I can tell (and I could well be wrong), it's basically a rendering issue that mostly seems to be triggered by 'pewpew' effects (lasers, explosions etc). I've always just put it down to my computer being a bit old and crappy. Someone else in the thread mentioned they had a HD5770 - mine's a HD5670. Possibly something to do with ATI 5xxx cards/drivers? I don't know, just throwing my own experience out there.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-09-16 03:49:25 UTC
Speaker4 theDead wrote:

And yes, I have already petitioned this, but I'm sure I will get the canned response, the logs show nothing, or it's not our fault. Roll



Here's a picture of the halarious graphics glitch....which cleared up as soon as I was back in station.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/lageb.png/


You can tell from that picture that it's a client side issue.

Probably happens to thousands of others who never worried about it because it didn't cost them a ship. You just got very unlucky.
Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#36 - 2012-09-16 04:50:20 UTC
It happens sometimes when your client has run for a long long time. Also running multiple client on a single pc increases the risk. It seems playing in windowed full screen can increase the cahnces as well.

But it kinda depends on more factors like your videocard, directx, windows, cpu and memory.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#37 - 2012-09-16 05:29:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…or maybe it's time to memtest you graphics card.


No, that is definitely not it. Take another look at those potential artifacts, and you'll see they cut the screen in half behind the overview, and have absolutely no effect on that. I've never known or heard artifacts on a damaged GPU to do that; they either affect the whole thing or nothing, to one degree or another.

Still doesn't hurt to check I suppose, as that should help to eliminate your video card from the equation. Just be careful of which memtest you use.

I'm more inclined to believe you are either suffering a graphics related issue in the game, resulting from DirectX or something, or that it is the result of a malicious hack, or software that is interfering with your game. It would be really nice to have a good means of protecting our PCs, but that doesn't really exist.

DirectX issues are usually solvable.
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#38 - 2012-09-16 05:43:05 UTC
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
Personally, I like the bit where the insurance co. sends out the mail before you even blow up! Lol


Yeah, I think that has happened to me nearly every time I've been podded. One or two exceptions aside. That and the full Hull, armor, and shield, to all red after or basically when you see the explosion. And is that your pod in the red, or your ship suddenly red, before you wake up in your clone?

Never had the graphics issue though.

Of course, I can't be sure I'm remembering that right, but I'm pretty sure I've had some pretty weird experiences where everything seems to stall, lag, or otherwise all end up catching up with itself at the same time, right before you end up in your clone or pod. I'm also pretty sure that my ship was sound just an instant before in most cases.

Been awhile though, and I can guarantee it's not in every case, and iirc, it was only in gate-camps like this one.
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#39 - 2012-09-16 05:50:31 UTC
Maybe it's just that these systems are actually almost completely dead when you enter them, and have virtually zero activity and null server load, then the gate-camp fires up and suddenly they go berserk? There is a good possibility of that occurring if the server load is sitting at near zero and the cpu is just idling, then ops goes through the roof compared to normal activity/idle, and the cpu has to wake from a cold sleep state.

Just a thought, and it doesn't explain the graphics issue, but I've never had that, let alone had that in concurrence with those particular issues.
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Speaker4 theDead
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2012-09-21 18:21:42 UTC
Gatecamp was already there, they didn't just warp in.
And as far as a graphic issue, considering I was running up and down the pipe all day, with numerous gank camps and more ships on every gate, you'd think it would have happened before I landed in a lowsec system.
As far as a graphic card issue, It's a Nvidia card with up to date drivers.
And you'd think if it was an internal issue, that it would have affected the entire screen, as you could see, the overview was unaffected.
I don't have an answer for this, CCP of course finally answered with the standard, "the logs show nothing". According to the logs, it took 3 seconds for the gatecamp to lock my Cloaky hauler, but they could not explain how my cloak did not activate....

I had already decided to let my subs run out before this happened, have generally lost interest in the game again, can't find any gameplay that is fun for me anymore, and tired of all the game issues that CCP seems unable/unwilling to address.

I gave away about a billion worth of ships that I had lying around for years and never flew, even a Raven that had sat in OBE since the first Delve war. Those in Amarr who got a free ship....enjoy. But that was not really a significant amount of assets compared to what I have.

It's always possible that I will come back and try the game again, so no, you can't haz the rest of my stuffs.

This certainly makes me feel like it is the right choice though....Cool





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