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An Eve Memorial: The Ring of Fire

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Vordak Kallager
Wilderness
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#61 - 2012-09-15 02:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vordak Kallager
Vulix wrote:
I would suppoort this idea if it silently honored all parished capsuleers and not just one guy. There have been plenty of great people who have played this game and passed; although VR's death was tragic, it would be **** to ignore everyone else we have played with in the past


The idea is not for this to be a "Vile Rat" memorial, but to be a memorial to all those who have passed on. It could either be anonymous, it's existence a tribute to everyone who may have passed on from the game; or, it could list the names of all those who have passed on (although this would be hard to verify for CCP and probably more effort/time than it is worth; for example, Facebook requires death certificates and what not to close a deceased person's Facebook).

Edit: Also, people have been mentioning or questioning "why does Vile Rat deserve a memorial?" and the simple fact is that a) he has had a major hand in creating the nullsec political landscape you now see today and b) he was a member of the CSM6 and was an excellent (and elected) player representative and c) sadly, he was pulled from our community before his time due to senseless violence: a very different and (arguably) more tragic departure than a player passing away in a more (at the risk of sounding unsympathetic) usual fashion.

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-09-15 02:21:42 UTC
A ring of fire for all the dearly departed. Blink
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
#63 - 2012-09-15 02:44:50 UTC
I totally support this proposal. A place in EVE where you can go and pay your respects to the people that we lost, it's a great idea.
Somani MacLeod
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-09-15 02:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Somani MacLeod
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Vulix wrote:
I would suppoort this idea if it silently honored all parished capsuleers and not just one guy. There have been plenty of great people who have played this game and passed; although VR's death was tragic, it would be **** to ignore everyone else we have played with in the past


The idea is not for this to be a "Vile Rat" memorial, but to be a memorial to all those who have passed on. It could either be anonymous, it's existence a tribute to everyone who may have passed on from the game; or, it could list the names of all those who have passed on (although this would be hard to verify for CCP and probably more effort/time than it is worth; for example, Facebook requires death certificates and what not to close a deceased person's Facebook).

Edit: Also, people have been mentioning or questioning "why does Vile Rat deserve a memorial?" and the simple fact is that a) he has had a major hand in creating the nullsec political landscape you now see today and b) he was a member of the CSM6 and was an excellent (and elected) player representative and c) sadly, he was pulled from our community before his time due to senseless violence: a very different and (arguably) more tragic departure than a player passing away in a more (at the risk of sounding unsympathetic) usual fashion.


i like the anonymous approach, and it would make great sense to erect a monument in new eden (given the history of the place and the pilgrimages people already make)(also as a sort of "returning to where you came," kind of thing ), perhaps a starbase with NO SERVICES? infact, make you not able to do anything other then dock/undock? no fitting changes no ship switching, nothing.
and when you "dock" you automaticly go to captain's quarters, only it's not the quarters we're used to, it's a big windowed area, with maybe a few benches/sitting areas along the edge, and a monument in the middle with a large window behind it looking out onto the eve gate.
the returning to your ship/undocking you don't even see your ship like normal, you see an elevator/esculator that takes you to the "parking lot" (which you don't actually see because you undock )

maybe add in a guest book or something similiar, clicking on it writes your name in the book, kind of like how people who go to new eden now leave a small jetison can in the system somewhere?
gulftobay
Mesotopia
#65 - 2012-09-15 03:18:47 UTC
Somani MacLeod wrote:

i like the anonymous approach, and it would make great sense to erect a monument in new eden (given the history of the place and the pilgrimages people already make)(also as a sort of "returning to where you came," kind of thing ), perhaps a starbase with NO SERVICES? infact, make you not able to do anything other then dock/undock? no fitting changes no ship switching, nothing.
and when you "dock" you automaticly go to captain's quarters, only it's not the quarters we're used to, it's a big windowed area, with maybe a few benches/sitting areas along the edge, and a monument in the middle with a large window behind it looking out onto the eve gate.
the returning to your ship/undocking you don't even see your ship like normal, you see an elevator/esculator that takes you to the "parking lot" (which you don't actually see because you undock )

maybe add in a guest book or something similiar, clicking on it writes your name in the book, kind of like how people who go to new eden now leave a small jetison can in the system somewhere?


Some good ideas here. I'm not sure of a ring of fire, monument or cemetary - they all seem so cold.



Somani MacLeod
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-09-15 03:30:11 UTC
gulftobay wrote:
Somani MacLeod wrote:

i like the anonymous approach, and it would make great sense to erect a monument in new eden (given the history of the place and the pilgrimages people already make)(also as a sort of "returning to where you came," kind of thing ), perhaps a starbase with NO SERVICES? infact, make you not able to do anything other then dock/undock? no fitting changes no ship switching, nothing.
and when you "dock" you automaticly go to captain's quarters, only it's not the quarters we're used to, it's a big windowed area, with maybe a few benches/sitting areas along the edge, and a monument in the middle with a large window behind it looking out onto the eve gate.
the returning to your ship/undocking you don't even see your ship like normal, you see an elevator/esculator that takes you to the "parking lot" (which you don't actually see because you undock )

maybe add in a guest book or something similiar, clicking on it writes your name in the book, kind of like how people who go to new eden now leave a small jetison can in the system somewhere?


Some good ideas here. I'm not sure of a ring of fire, monument or cemetary - they all seem so cold.



a monument inside an SB can have warm tone colors? like white and warm reds? with light metalic grey floor plating, think of it almost like a airport terminal i guess? a really fancy brand new terminal with a dedication or statue in the middle near the back, and a huge window that takes up an entire side from ceiling to floor, that looks onto space the eve gate glowing in the backround
i can see it now! :D
if only i had any artistic skill what so ever i'd draw you a picture =/

i have no idea what the monument should/could look like thought >.>; my imagination hasn't gotten that far yet
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-09-15 03:36:19 UTC
I think a system that is pitch black except for a white light in the distance the visiters can fly towards would make for an interesting and a wee bit creepy general memorial.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
gulftobay
Mesotopia
#68 - 2012-09-15 03:44:02 UTC
Somani MacLeod wrote:

a monument inside an SB can have warm tone colors? like white and warm reds? with light metalic grey floor plating, think of it almost like a airport terminal i guess? a really fancy brand new terminal with a dedication or statue in the middle near the back, and a huge window that takes up an entire side from ceiling to floor, that looks onto space the eve gate glowing in the backround
i can see it now! :D
if only i had any artistic skill what so ever i'd draw you a picture =/

i have no idea what the monument should/could look like thought >.>; my imagination hasn't gotten that far yet


As a starting point for discussion regarding interior/tones etc, perhaps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yq0rAWdHvo#t=8m45s could serve as inspiration as originally suggested by Sephira Galamore in another thread.

Holograms and pilot names not necessarily included in the idea.
Asian ConanObrien
The Marshall Group
#69 - 2012-09-15 04:31:28 UTC
I still think they need to re-write the description of the Diplomacy skillbook for him.

That to me seems the most fitting a memorial for Him.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-09-15 04:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Asian ConanObrien wrote:
I still think they need to re-write the description of the Diplomacy skillbook for him.

That to me seems the most fitting a memorial for Him.
Maybe but what would they write? It would have to be something about actual diplomacy, perhaps an out of game yet applicable to the game quote, and not just some memorial caption.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Asian ConanObrien
The Marshall Group
#71 - 2012-09-15 05:05:53 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Asian ConanObrien wrote:
I still think they need to re-write the description of the Diplomacy skillbook for him.

That to me seems the most fitting a memorial for Him.
Maybe but what would they write? It would have to be something about actual diplomacy, perhaps an out of game yet applicable to the game quote, and not just some memorial caption.


Something about the fact that this skillbook contains the techniques championed by New Edens greatest diplomat.
Denarus Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-09-15 13:06:16 UTC
I think the player made memorials that have been seen in game, in the media and IRL are greater than anything the devs can put in the game. I never met Vile Rat but I know the Goons that I fly with loved that guy and won't forget him anytime soon.

Just my two cents.

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Rixx Javix
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#73 - 2012-09-15 14:18:55 UTC
The easier we make the suggestion the more likely it will be considered.

While the player created events and tributes are incredible and worthy, this suggestion fits within the in-game lore and creates a general memorial for ALL lost Capsuleers. Inspired by VR, but not just about one player.

The Eve Gate already exists in-game, so it seemed like a natural to find the opposite in space. If the Eve Gate is the faucet of our Universe, then the Ring of Fire is the drain. A massive black hole halo'd by the light of a dying Star symbolizes death and the mystery of the great beyond.

As I said before, I'd support any memorial. But this idea seems to capture all the elements needed for serious consideration from CCP.

Thanks to everyone who is supporting and commenting.

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#74 - 2012-09-15 14:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
The EVE gate used to have a memorial graveyard of people that flew there and anchored containers with peoples names/RIP xyz, etc, etc. and plenty of "I was here" - leading towards the EVE Gate phenomenon, 100,000s of kilometers in that direction. It was actually very touching to go there and experience that.

Unfortunately since they made it so that containers expire in 30 days from anchoring if not interacted with, they disappeared.

I would recommend that if you want to do something like this, set a system in which containers do not expire and let people anchor and create containers like that and label them.

This would take an administrative burden off of CCP and allow for a Memorial solar system so to speak.

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Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
#75 - 2012-09-15 18:02:52 UTC
A memorial for fallen capsuleers? You can definitely count me in on this idea.

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Dahren Caspo
Repo.
#76 - 2012-09-15 18:23:13 UTC
I fully support this!

A man must have a code.
Somani MacLeod
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-09-15 20:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Somani MacLeod
i think people are still losing the point that this is not for just vile rat, it's for everybody who's played and died/came and went.

look at it like we're talking about mariano rajoy brey.
most people in the western world probably don't even know who he is(most in europe and asian probably don't know either) and even less people care, so why would they build a giant statue to him at the trade center ground zero!?
it doesn't make sense to anybody outside of spain, hell probably doesn't make sense to most people in spain either.

now the other side of the coin is making an anonymous tribute, like those ww1/ww2 statues spread out across the world, like the vimy memorial in pas de calais, or the national war memorial in DC. or even the tomb of the unknown soldier in ottawa, paris, berlin, athens, philadelphia, etc etc etc
Rixx Javix
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#78 - 2012-09-15 21:24:34 UTC
Most memorials come about because of the passion of friends or family of someone who has perished in a war or event of some magnitude. And while their personal passion drives them to governments for support, usually in great numbers, it can often be a difficult path. There are many memorials in Washington DC, for example, that would not exist if it had not been for the courage and dedication of individuals that refused to give up. I suspect the same is true around the world.

And while this memorial, like many around the world, is not solely for ONE person, it is because of what has happened that we petition for a lasting memorial within New Eden for ALL those players that cannot be cloned and will never return.

Sean is certainly the inspiration.

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Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2012-09-15 23:08:42 UTC
I like the idea, it fits well on the lore, and as CCP like to say : EVE is real... it's a good way to make this statement true.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#80 - 2012-09-16 00:01:08 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
If you make a place to celebrate someone or a group of people, there will be people who go there to desecrate it. Either via can art or other actions like shooting it and even camping the system to kill those who go to visit.

I wish I could honestly say something like that would never happen, but I'm a realist and this is EVE. Maybe if such a place could be visited via the same mechanic for the ship viewer then it would be good. I just don't want to present an opportunity for jerks to go for the low blow.

So far my personal favorite idea has been a Vile Rate quote in the diplo skill book description.


Just make it a 1.0 system - no anchoring allowed. They can drop cans all they want - the graffiti will auto clean up.

Only so many skill books around. This gives everyone a chance to be immortalized.