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EVE: The last of the sub based MMO?
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pussnheels
Viziam
#61 - 2012-09-14 18:43:01 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
nothing is free to play not even F2P if youplay a F2p game eventually you wiill pay just to pass a certain level cap or you will pay to use a certain powerfull item etc etc eventually you pay more than what you pay for a sub
Second F2p works fine on a MMO with 100 s of different serrvers
EvE is not, introducing F2P will create a unnbalance between people willi ng to pay for their toys and people who can't afford it or are not willing to pay for it


What you describe is bad free to play MMOs.

Good free to play games allow playing for free to be palpable while still giving plenty of reasons to pay some money. League of Legends, while not a true MMO, has this aspect down pat and that's one of the reasons why it is so popular today.


i am sorry to tell you this but F2P doesn't work in a sandbox

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#62 - 2012-09-14 19:55:41 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
nothing is free to play not even F2P if youplay a F2p game eventually you wiill pay just to pass a certain level cap or you will pay to use a certain powerfull item etc etc eventually you pay more than what you pay for a sub
Second F2p works fine on a MMO with 100 s of different serrvers
EvE is not, introducing F2P will create a unnbalance between people willi ng to pay for their toys and people who can't afford it or are not willing to pay for it


What you describe is bad free to play MMOs.

Good free to play games allow playing for free to be palpable while still giving plenty of reasons to pay some money. League of Legends, while not a true MMO, has this aspect down pat and that's one of the reasons why it is so popular today.


i am sorry to tell you this but F2P doesn't work in a sandbox


I already said in another post that I don't think that F2P would work for EVE.

Buy to play (Where you buy a copy of the game but there's no subscription) is a maybe but free to play is not the right tool for the job here.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#63 - 2012-09-14 19:56:24 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
CCP managed to kill the true sandbox as well as turn their game into pay to win (not as bad as other games) the moment plex hit the scene. Treating eve like a strict monthly sub game is simply misguided.


PLEX was the optimal solution to RMT. Like it or not, based on human desires RMT is an indispensible fact of MMOs. But remember too that PLEX doesn't add any money to the economy. It only moves it from on player to another.

People claim all the time that PLEX ruined the game but I have yet to hear an explanation addressing the merits of that claim.

A sandbox is still a sandbox, even if some kids have more toys.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#64 - 2012-09-14 19:58:54 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
CCP managed to kill the true sandbox as well as turn their game into pay to win (not as bad as other games) the moment plex hit the scene. Treating eve like a strict monthly sub game is simply misguided.


PLEX was the optimal solution to RMT. Like it or not, based on human desires RMT is an indispensible fact of MMOs. But remember too that PLEX doesn't add any money to the economy. It only moves it from on player to another.

People claim all the time that PLEX ruined the game but I have yet to hear an explanation addressing the merits of that claim.

A sandbox is still a sandbox, even if some kids have more toys.


Yeah, I think PLEx is quite brilliant and it doesn't really ruin anything. Just adds another aspect to the economy.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-09-14 22:32:04 UTC
Last of the sub based games? I don't think so. New(er) MMOs that have the winning formula will always go with the subscription model.

In my opinion, any game that starts with subscriptions and shifts to F2P later on in its life is merely clinging to life. It means customers are saying "It's a decent game, but not worth X per month so I'll wait until it goes F2P".

If EvE were ever to go to F2P, there could be a decent price model to do it but I wouldn't be happy. It opens the floodgates for botters and spammers as it has done for so many MMOs that went F2P.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
Tyraeil Starblade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-09-14 22:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyraeil Starblade
Dust 514 is CCP's experiment for F2P, we'll see how it plays out.