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[Proposal] Improve Experience of Being Podded

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#1 - 2012-09-13 21:55:14 UTC
I've been pod killed so many times that I've lost all grasp on the human condition. My current incarnation is just a small and temporary mechanism that serves a greater immortal will. Life and death are a seamless continuum to me, so why is it that even on the fanciest of machines, when I die the first thing I usually notice is my evemail flash informing me that a new clone has been activated, meanwhile my screen has already begun to load the station ship-spinner, or! if you are one of those damn hippies like me who run captains quarters because they like the whole 'seamless' thing CCP was going for despite the obvious shortcomings of incarna, then you find yourself standing upright in your quarters like "wtf dude...". Not very seamless.

So CCP, how about we stay up late one night and come up with something a little cooler than that. I know you guys could come up with an awesome way to die. I would also wager that you could improve the seamlessness of the life/death experience without demanding more from the machines/slowing your battle against lag.

I'd love to see my pod split open and a frozen corpse fly out with goo crystalizing and all that, but hell, I'll take a kind of visual effect where you see it explode like most any other ship and then your screen narrows to tunnel vision like you're being pulled away like Tony Gonzales describes in EVE Empyrean Age. Something, anythin

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2 - 2012-09-16 13:56:30 UTC
Supported.

Being podded is obviously a terrible experience (especially for new players). In corp generally new players get a bit quiet, say they were podded, say they're going afk and then not log on again for a day or so. Wouldn't it be cool to see the new guys saying in corp "Holy ****! I just got podded! That was awesome."

Food for thought, it might negate some of the sinking feeling you get >.<

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#3 - 2012-09-16 20:25:03 UTC
+1 Smile
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Seara Arrodan
Whiskey and Cigars
#4 - 2012-09-17 01:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Seara Arrodan
Arduemont wrote:
Supported.

In corp generally new players get a bit quiet, say they were podded, say they're going afk and then not log on again for a day or so.


And that is unfortunate. I think I got podded 3 time my first day in EVE (OK so I'm a slow learner) I like this Idea as long as it does not slow me down too much getting back in a ship. Though you are correct getting podded is not supposed to be a positive experience and should cause some amount of a sinking feeling (other than ISK loss)
To the new guy though, a discussion about what to expect when he gets podded and how it happens to me more then most ... I mean how it happens to everyone and that when they do get podded that the best response it to get back in a ship but learn from the experience;
What did you do right?
What did you do wrong?
What can you change/improve upon to get podded less often?

Hmm.... Not sure if troll?...

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#5 - 2012-09-17 01:39:48 UTC
Yes, I agree that it should be a traumatic experience, and if anything I hope they make it even more gruesome and jarring. I'd even love to see your clone step out of it's little re-animation pod, bald headed, and redo your haircut and clothes joins the list of things you routinely do after you're reborn, including update your clone and buy new implants.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#6 - 2012-09-17 16:33:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Yes, I agree that it should be a traumatic experience, and if anything I hope they make it even more gruesome and jarring. I'd even love to see your clone step out of it's little re-animation pod, bald headed, and redo your haircut and clothes joins the list of things you routinely do after you're reborn, including update your clone and buy new implants.


While I'm ok with a 20s animation showing my clone activating, I'm not ok with being forced to redo hair and clothing options... which takes considerably longer.

*edit* I typically want to reship and get back into the fight after I die... and don't want any significant slowdowns tbh...
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#7 - 2012-09-17 19:06:17 UTC
Well, yeah let me clarify, your portrait should stay the same, but in the quarters it might be fun to still be pod-bald, maybe just until you walk over to the mirror and click the 'set appearance to portrait settings' button or whatever. But yeah, agreed, the whole thing shouldn't take very long.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#8 - 2012-09-17 21:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
I'd support a full movie the first time any character on an account was podded (or docked in a ship with CQ turned on), in order to establish the immersion. After that, make it a short cutscene that's there to hide the LOADING screen, so there's no slowdown.

[edit: And add an option to the ESC menu to disable (or re-enable) the movie, in case an existing player starts a new account and they don't want to see the full cutscene again.]

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#9 - 2012-09-18 00:58:47 UTC
Not a bad idea, a full little cinematic experience like they already have the first time an account logs in. Hmmmm...

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Milz0r
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-09-18 04:49:18 UTC

+1

Great idea!

Surely CCP could create a simple cutscene to hide the loading screen (as mentioned above) before the next expansion right?
mybeter
Nadire Innovations and Education Inc.
#11 - 2012-09-19 13:21:54 UTC
-1

Your idea is fine but I think it has the potential to interrupt players to much when in fleet and you have to reship and join reinforcements. In addition to that you don't ever had cutscenes in eve (maybe except the one you get the first time you start eve).
I think it's just not necessary to put development effort in this.
betoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-09-19 15:08:18 UTC
mybeter wrote:
-1

Your idea is fine but I think it has the potential to interrupt players to much when in fleet and you have to reship and join reinforcements. In addition to that you don't ever had cutscenes in eve (maybe except the one you get the first time you start eve).
I think it's just not necessary to put development effort in this.


You don't think dying should have consequences beyond new clone, activate next ship, undock? even for a 30 second delay?

really?

wow.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#13 - 2012-09-19 17:28:57 UTC
No no, you misunderstand. Maybe a cinematic thing the first time for the sake of the noobs, but the other times I just want to see my own pod there in the field explode/crack start to explode/flash something! Not asking for much, a transition effect! I hereby coin the term "death-wipe" a kind of slow insidious tunneling of the vision then the bright white light of the medical drone checking you out, and boom you're back in the hangar ready to deploy. And let me re-iterate that this whole process shouldn't be long at all, 20 seconds would be too long I think, more like 10. Seems like a relatively small fix for a big step forward in seamlessness. The way it is now is just lame, you gotta give me that lol.

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Lucious Shazih
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-09-26 14:30:25 UTC
Great idea. I support this concept... not slow too much to reship but some slowdown is ok. After all that new clone that just got reanimated might need a little stretching and warm up before running into his next pod fully clothed. Lol
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-09-30 06:39:05 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I've been pod killed so many times that I've lost all grasp on the human condition. My current incarnation is just a small and temporary mechanism that serves a greater immortal will. Life and death are a seamless continuum to me, so why is it that even on the fanciest of machines, when I die the first thing I usually notice is my evemail flash informing me that a new clone has been activated, meanwhile my screen has already begun to load the station ship-spinner, or! if you are one of those damn hippies like me who run captains quarters because they like the whole 'seamless' thing CCP was going for despite the obvious shortcomings of incarna, then you find yourself standing upright in your quarters like "wtf dude...". Not very seamless.

So CCP, how about we stay up late one night and come up with something a little cooler than that. I know you guys could come up with an awesome way to die. I would also wager that you could improve the seamlessness of the life/death experience without demanding more from the machines/slowing your battle against lag.

I'd love to see my pod split open and a frozen corpse fly out with goo crystalizing and all that, but hell, I'll take a kind of visual effect where you see it explode like most any other ship and then your screen narrows to tunnel vision like you're being pulled away like Tony Gonzales describes in EVE Empyrean Age. Something, anythin

if they did this, i would pod myself about 5 or 6 times just to see the animation +1 lol
Eidric
Private Shelter for Mad People
#16 - 2012-10-01 23:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Eidric
No no no

You won't see the pod since your link to the camera drones is now SEVERED, What you would should see is the pretty much the similar stuff from the matrix: Especially since the pod probably starts shutdown sequence a few seconds before the actual hull breach, to prevent data loss for example.

As such you would actually lose all the intercoms/overviews/channels (similar to the toggle we have right now for screenshots) and then blackout and awaken in the pod, which is collapsing around you. Spilling the contents and your now doomed husk to be: you would subconsciously struggle (Note we aren't in gas-filled environment, as such we won't automatically eject due to pressure difference: it would be more akin of breaking an egg and contents slowly oozing out. ). The temperature difference should not matter since there is no decent medium to absorb our heat fast enough, as such the actual cause of death would be pressure difference: Blood-stained vision and general blackout. (no air in the lungs afaik we are filled with oxygenated goo so chest won't explode )

To summarize: you are Neo, spilling into HUGE vacuum around you (remember how BS look like while you are near pod, now imagine the pod debris with similar size beside you) mesmerizing sight of space (maybe w/o nebulas: we don't have enhanced vision) which turns red and then black very fast.......

.............and then you wake up


About the hair: I personally think it is too much because we can always say that facilities can be preprogrammed to try making the exact replica of yours truly. Otherwise capsuleers not only will loose hair - they would lose the tan,musculature, and tattoos. Redoing that as soon as you wake up would add only a little bit to the immersion but otherwise will be a major hassle, especially for these pilots that need to return to the battlefield asap
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#17 - 2012-10-02 14:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Eidric wrote:
No no no

You won't see the pod since your link to the camera drones is now SEVERED, What you would should see is the pretty much the similar stuff from the matrix: Especially since the pod probably starts shutdown sequence a few seconds before the actual hull breach, to prevent data loss for example.

As such you would actually lose all the intercoms/overviews/channels (similar to the toggle we have right now for screenshots) and then blackout and awaken in the pod, which is collapsing around you. Spilling the contents and your now doomed husk to be: you would subconsciously struggle (Note we aren't in gas-filled environment, as such we won't automatically eject due to pressure difference: it would be more akin of breaking an egg and contents slowly oozing out. ). The temperature difference should not matter since there is no decent medium to absorb our heat fast enough, as such the actual cause of death would be pressure difference: Blood-stained vision and general blackout. (no air in the lungs afaik we are filled with oxygenated goo so chest won't explode )

To summarize: you are Neo, spilling into HUGE vacuum around you (remember how BS look like while you are near pod, now imagine the pod debris with similar size beside you) mesmerizing sight of space (maybe w/o nebulas: we don't have enhanced vision) which turns red and then black very fast.......

.............and then you wake up


Those are some very confident assertions. Very confident indeed for someone who is wrong. The lore says that the pod actually injects and euthanises the pilot miliseconds before the pod's shell is breached. So you really would just see your sight quickly black out, but you wouldn't wake up standing up straight in your cloths in your captains quarters.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#18 - 2012-10-02 20:44:27 UTC
Eidric, thank you for your contributions. Everyone else, pay no attention to the very faulty science Eidric is espousing. In fact liquids have pressure too, and space is cold, but can be hot depending on proximity to a star and wether or not you find yourself in a shadow, but I wouldn't ask the devs to get into that.
As I recall, Arduemont is right, pod pilots are euthanized in the split second after the pod detects a hull breach, but before the pod is totally destroyed. Also, they are also depicted as wearing masks that cover their eyes, so I don't see how the perspective would switch to their own eyes still on the field, seeing as how they are blinded, poisoned, and had their synapses melted by the cognitive state xerox machine. Eidric, I don't mean to pick on you bud, but your assertions, though interesting, are wrong on a lore level as well as a basic 9th grade physical science level.
But we can all agree that there's room here for improvement! :D and the way it is now is just lame...

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2012-10-02 21:51:47 UTC
the idea isn't bad but is it really necessarily to add rp fluff to ideas in the assembly hall?

It seems a bit counter productive to the whole "Explaining your idea clearly" thing...

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Eidric
Private Shelter for Mad People
#20 - 2012-10-03 04:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Eidric
While I was indeed wrong about the blood pressure but take a look at this: http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

You are in the collapsing pod - there is a chance of slight mask slip and tiny peek into the great beyond until you lose consciousness.

Space can be hot/cold but you are completely forgetting that there is no conduction (little to no particles) and no convection (no "wind" or "current") Only significant way you can acquire or lose heat is through radiation.

And to be burned by a star before you collapse from lack of oxygen you have to be really close: sure there is much harsher radiation in the unshielded space but it has rather slow effect on human body compared to lack of oxygen.


And please explain me how the liquid will act then in the vacuum? (I suggest you to look at the barometer - it has both) You are forgetting about surface tension, and the fact that liquids do not try to take the entire volume like gasses - they are rather robust at compression and expansion.


EDIT: Also read this: http://www.geoffreylandis.com/vacuum.html here is actually states the possible dilation of venous vessels. So it might be possible for vision to turn reddish for a bit.


*grumble*9th grade physics yeah...*grumble*
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