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[Winter] EW Cruisers

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2012-09-14 02:07:14 UTC
I'm Down wrote:

Exactly what about painters disrupts anything?

Disruption is a poor word fot this ship line, E-War is better.
Target painters are a hostile module that increases the signature radius of a ship.
With an increased signature raidus a ship becomes much eaiser to Target/Lock.
that makes it a e-war module

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#122 - 2012-09-14 02:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: I'm Down
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I'm Down wrote:

check your facts, it will do 552 dps maxed out before overload or implants are even considered.

Show your work.


352 HAMs
190 Drones
542... excuse me, i was 10 off.

You can eft an osprey navy to see the missile damage, and the 4th low would go to a drone damage mod. Still leaves room for an MWD and a LSE in the mids, and the usual other items.

and oh yeah, unlike most other ships, it's not tied to damage types....
Alara IonStorm
#123 - 2012-09-14 02:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I'm Down wrote:

352 HAMs
190 Drones
542... excuse me, i was 10 off.

You can eft an osprey navy to see the missile damage, and the 4th low would go to a drone damage mod. Still leaves room for an MWD and a LSE in the mids, and the usual other items.

and oh yeah, unlike most other ships, it's not tied to damage types....

So Rage Missiles and no DCU no real Frigate defenses and you need an ACU to fit everything else on.

I am sure there will be tons of people flying that fit. Roll

But hey it is better then the right now purely hypothetical Maller and Omen in your head. I am sure they will be fit with only about 15k EHP like your Belli fit.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#124 - 2012-09-14 02:16:04 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I'm Down wrote:

Exactly what about painters disrupts anything?

Disruption is a poor word fot this ship line, E-War is better.
Target painters are a hostile module that increases the signature radius of a ship.
With an increased signature raidus a ship becomes much eaiser to Target/Lock.
that makes it a e-war module


No, i think disruptor is a prime choice... but even ewar isn't met.

Arbitrator... disrupt gun ships offensive abilities range/tracking (a defensive mechanic)
Blackbird... disrupts a ships locking abilities (a defensive mechanic)
Celestis.... disrups a ships target range or lock time (a defensive mechanic)
Belicose... increases a targets incoming damage (an offensive mechanic)

notice a disparity there?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#125 - 2012-09-14 02:18:32 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I'm Down wrote:

check your facts, it will do 552 dps maxed out before overload or implants are even considered.

Show your work.


352 HAMs
190 Drones
542... excuse me, i was 10 off.

You can eft an osprey navy to see the missile damage, and the 4th low would go to a drone damage mod. Still leaves room for an MWD and a LSE in the mids, and the usual other items.

and oh yeah, unlike most other ships, it's not tied to damage types....


Can we please discuss real fits? That is over on both CPU and grid, and even if it fit would be a **** fit.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Sedoris
Every Day Low Prices
#126 - 2012-09-14 02:20:10 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I'm Down wrote:

Exactly what about painters disrupts anything?

Disruption is a poor word fot this ship line, E-War is better.
Target painters are a hostile module that increases the signature radius of a ship.
With an increased signature raidus a ship becomes much eaiser to Target/Lock.
that makes it a e-war module


No, i think disruptor is a prime choice... but even ewar isn't met.

Arbitrator... disrupt gun ships offensive abilities range/tracking (a defensive mechanic)
Blackbird... disrupts a ships locking abilities (a defensive mechanic)
Celestis.... disrups a ships target range or lock time (a defensive mechanic)
Belicose... increases a targets incoming damage (an offensive mechanic)

notice a disparity there?

Well, you know, sometimes the best defense is a good offense :p
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#127 - 2012-09-14 02:20:59 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
check your facts, it will do 552 dps maxed out before overload or implants are even considered. Both amarr cruisers was supposed to say both amarr dps cruisers.

your second comment is just batshit ********.
Ahh... I overlooked the "pure dps" part. Yeah you are right. I was including stuff like mediocre tank. But 550dps with a glass jaw is still fine by me. Even with a Lg ASB it ain't exactly tough. It'll have some funny niche uses, but in general combat a fit like that is toast.

And sorry you don't appreciate the uses of a Painter. Your loss.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2012-09-14 02:23:17 UTC
The description of the target painter is
"A targeting subsystem that projects an electronic 'tag' on the target thus making it eaiser to Target and Hit.
it would seem the increased damage for missiles is a beneficial side effect of an increased sig raidus, not necessaraly the sole purpose.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#129 - 2012-09-14 02:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: I'm Down
Liang Nuren wrote:


Can we please discuss real fits? That is over on both CPU and grid, and even if it fit would be a **** fit.

-Liang



Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone damage Amplifier I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
[empty med slot]

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

with 22 cpu left for the last mid slot.... easily fit another painter or several other options.

If you really want to toss out 40 dps, you can lose the drone damage amp and still be over 500 dps, and get your precious DCU.

Learn how to fit.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#130 - 2012-09-14 02:24:41 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:


Can we please discuss real fits? That is over on both CPU and grid, and even if it fit would be a **** fit.

-Liang



Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone damage Amplifier I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
[empty med slot]

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Assault Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

with 22 cpu left for the last mid slot.... easily fit another painter or several other options.

If you really want to toss our 40 dps, you can lose the drone damage amp and still be over 500 dps, and get your precious DCU.

Learn how to fit.


Hammerhead II x1


Jesus can you learn how to fit a ******* ship? Do you even PVP?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Alara IonStorm
#131 - 2012-09-14 02:27:38 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

Jesus can you learn how to fit a ******* ship? Do you even PVP?

-Liang

It is this.

[empty med slot]

That makes it art.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#132 - 2012-09-14 02:29:04 UTC  |  Edited by: I'm Down
Liang Nuren wrote:


Jesus can you learn how to fit a ******* ship? Do you even PVP?

-Liang


I'm sorry, lets see a real fit pro? I know that this fit gets around 20-30,000 ehp for small fleet combat and who honestly gives a **** about sig ratio on a throw away dps ship. You will only find 3 other cruiser under current game mechanics that can even compete dps wise to this "disruption" cruiser.

Alara IonStorm wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:

Jesus can you learn how to fit a ******* ship? Do you even PVP?

-Liang

It is this.

[empty med slot]

That makes it art.


hey dip ****, did you see the part where i left it open intentionally and told you teh remaining CPU so that you could fit in a variety of options? Or are you one of those ******* retards who needs me to spell this out 100% for you?
Alara IonStorm
#133 - 2012-09-14 02:37:13 UTC
I'm Down wrote:

hey dip ****, did you see the part where i left it open intentionally and told you teh remaining CPU so that you could fit in a variety of options? Or are you one of those ******* retards who needs me to spell this out 100% for you?

My eyes were drawn away by the oh so terrible fit.

It was like trying to notice a stop sign next to a gory train wreck.
Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-09-14 02:39:16 UTC
Nice tweaks there; love the look of the Bellicose, seems very exciting to combine missiles, TP and drones (and should totally get a new model soon like the stabber!) Big smile

"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#135 - 2012-09-14 02:40:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
I'm Down wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:


Jesus can you learn how to fit a ******* ship? Do you even PVP?

-Liang


I'm sorry, lets see a real fit pro? I know that this fit gets around 20-30,000 ehp for small fleet combat and who honestly gives a **** about sig ratio on a throw away dps ship. You will only find 3 other cruiser under current game mechanics that can even compete dps wise to this "disruption" cruiser.


Nah, you can get the same performance out of an Omen right now. And it's a bad cruiser.

-Liang

Ed: Just wait until they boost the fittings on it. I'm hoping hoping hoping hoping they give it +30% speed and an optimal bonus. I might literally cry tears of joy. :)

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2012-09-14 02:41:21 UTC
I'm Down wrote:


I'm sorry, lets see a real fit pro? I know that this fit gets around 20-30,000 ehp for small fleet combat and who honestly gives a **** about sig ratio on a throw away dps ship. You will only find 3 other cruiser under current game mechanics that can even compete dps wise to this "disruption" cruiser.


So with the fit you posted above you actually get about 11427ehp a little bit off from 20-30k ehp

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2012-09-14 02:43:33 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
wat? have you lost it? maybe i don't understand , are you gving a non ore ship a random never to be used drone bonus to mining?


The whole beauty of drone boats is that they can do a little bit of everything. There are mining drones, so why shouldn't drone boats get bonuses to use them? ORE barges tend to pack combat drones for self-defense.

If CCP really wanted to go nuts, they'd throw in a generous bonus to mining drone velocity per level. For those with Gallente or Amarr Cruiser 5 there might even be a use for Harvesters, at long last.


OOOOOOO

"10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield "

my bad I thought it was only a mining bonus, nvm

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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#138 - 2012-09-14 02:43:39 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
I know that this fit gets around 20-30,000 ehp for small fleet combat...
Because including leadership/link bonuses in your base stats is always a good idea....? What? Let's be honest, your fit has 19K ehp (with Liang's DCU). It is made of glass. And overlooking the lack of a point, it does have some niche uses. But for general use it is horribly terribad.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#139 - 2012-09-14 02:51:42 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
I'm Down wrote:
I know that this fit gets around 20-30,000 ehp for small fleet combat...
Because including leadership/link bonuses in your base stats is always a good idea....? What? Let's be honest, your fit has 19K ehp (with Liang's DCU). It is made of glass. And overlooking the lack of a point, it does have some niche uses. But for general use it is horribly terribad.


B/C when it explicitly states "small gang combat" you naturally move away from bonuses huh?


I really wish you guys would quit trying to judge ships by their unbonused, un buffed neutered to hell fits and realize that your terribad style of gameplay is not how this game get's balanced properly.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2012-09-14 03:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
I'm Down wrote:
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
I'm Down wrote:
I know that this fit gets around 20-30,000 ehp for small fleet combat...
Because including leadership/link bonuses in your base stats is always a good idea....? What? Let's be honest, your fit has 19K ehp (with Liang's DCU). It is made of glass. And overlooking the lack of a point, it does have some niche uses. But for general use it is horribly terribad.


B/C when it explicitly states "small gang combat" you naturally move away from bonuses huh?


I really wish you guys would quit trying to judge ships by their unbonused, un buffed neutered to hell fits and realize that your terribad style of gameplay is not how this game get's balanced properly.

Please what is a small gang then? Edit: Google said a small gang is <= 10 pilots.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.