Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are missing the other part of sensor dampening, which is range dampening. Celestis can remove a couple of snipers from the equation at any stage of the battle, by reducing their locking range. Damps are scriptable to boost either effect.

Generally scan resolution dampening works well when you fly in a gang of small ships against larger ships and have ECM with you (ECM ships or drones, Cel's drone bay is good for med ECMs), they spend most of the time trying to lock your frigs instead of doing damage.

Range damping is very effective against other recons, logi and snipers. They have to either move closer, or warp out. Rail Arazu with combat drones is one of the few natural enemies of the Falcon.

Tracking Disruptors - great expecially with upcoming missile changes

Target Jammers - Great

Sensor Dampeners - Great



WTF??!?!?

Target Painters?
How is this even considered EW???

Seriously, target painters???

I don't even know how to reply to this other than....Target painters?!?!?!

Well, at least winmatar are getting bones somewhere.

LOL....target painters...haha

I do not fly minmatar.

I fly primarily Caldari...

So, I'm not saying that Target Painters arent considered ewar.

I'm saying, how are they even considered ewar?

Sure, it will icrease the sig radius of a ship, but seriously?

How does an increased sig radius compete with not being able to target, not being able to target past a certain range, or not being able to hit/reach a target with weapons??

If you want to put target painters in the same catagory as these other modules and consider it a good bonus fr an ewar ship, then go right ahead, but if you ask me Minmatar are getting ripped off.

I dont' even fly Minmatar and I can tell you that.

Not to mention, with TCs and TEs working with missiles, then wtf is the point of the target painter anymore???

Personally, I think they should just be removed from game and introduce a new ewar module for Minmatar.

Perhaps a module that causes turrets/launchers to randomly shut off or something along that line.

Thing about it is this is the only ship that couldn't be used solo and/or is less helpful in a fleet.

Sure, target painters are helpful to some extent, but less so than any other ewar module.


Lets put it this way. Either of the ewar ships would be capable of soloing bc just by jamming/dampening/disrupting the crap out of them.

The Bellicose can target paint them.

The only way I see this as fair is if the Bellicose has significantly higher dps than the rest of them.

However, even then I feel the Bellicose still doesn't fit near as well in a fleet compared to any of the other ships.

I fear that this will cause Minmatar ewar ships to rarely be used.

I'm still not buying the Damp range on the Celestis.

Right now on TQ damps are effective out to 100km. (Hint: watch Exodus.'s Damp Merlins during the AT).
The optimal bonus will push that out to about 120-130Km (ie. Not a Game Changer).

Max skilled Celestis with drones and HMLs will only do damage out to 60km.

So with the proposed Ship you've got 3 choices:

Sit at 100km off the fight, don't do any damage, damp their long range DPS ships and not be primary.

Sit at 50km off the fight, damp something behind the main fleet (logi etc), do about 200-250DPS and be primaried.

Fly as part of a long range gang (ie Celestis, Caracal) with Inties for points, damp the enemy DPS and concentrate on killing tackle as it burns in.

A better bonus would be similar to the Drone Velocity bonus proposed for the Maulus.

Make it: "10% bonus to Drone Control Range and 5% bonus to Drone MWD Speed per level" as the second bonus.

This, coupled with the 50m3 drone bay gives you:

A set of Valks that go almost 4Kps (ie. enough to catch most frigs)

A set of Hobos that go 5Kps+ or Warriors that go almost 8Kps (ie. enough that they can burn the 90kms about as fast as missiles)

Or, ECM drones that can reach out and **** people of from miles. (@90Km you're outside the lock range or most cruisers, switch a damp to lock time and laugh).

Ie. you can do everything the Fozzie's proposed Celestis does, but actually apply damage in all circumstances.

Re. Drone Veloctiy Bonus vs Tracking:

I get the effect that will have increased drone velocity has on tracking in some cases (pods, shuttles, non-MWDing frigs): this is why I specified Drone MWD boost. Once the drones settle into an orbit around a tackled ship this should not apply.

I also think, in most likely combat situations any damage lost to tracking is made up for by the increased damage you get from the fact your drones get onto the target faster and you can actually use them at the range you want to be fighting at.

T2

The other benefit of doing this is that it scales nicely into T2 ships:

Arazu gets +7.5% Damp Strengh, +10/5% Drone Ctrl Range and MWD Boost, 20% Warp Disruptor Range, and a Covert Cloak.

Lach gets +7.5% Damp Strengh, +10/5% Drone Ctrl Range and MWD Boost, 20% Warp Disruptor Range, and a +10% Drone Damage/Durability Bonus.

Tl;dr: Swap the Celestis' proposed Damp optimal bonus for a +10% Drone Ctrl Range / +5% Drone MWD Speed Bonus.

Any word on the ECM nerf?

I'm expecting something good like removing ECM modules and ECM drones entirely.

The additional low slot on the Arbitrator doesn't add anything. It's completely pointless on that ship.

LOLWUT additional low slot not worth it on an Amarr ship?

Drone Damage Amp, Fitting mod, + Armour tank, Nano's (w/ Shield tank ofc), CPR.

On second thoughts... you must be trollin'.

There is no such thing as "enough" low slots. You can always find a use for them.

Soloing: more damage means you might kill them before their friends show up.
Small gang: more damage means you kill the primary faster... allowing you to kill secondary faster.... so on. (before the blob shows up)
Arbi + ECM drones? You're doing it wrong. (unless it's for GTFO). EC-300s on non-bonused ships; Damage drones on bonused ships.
More tank allows you to tank when enemy Tier 3s > your TDs. It also gives you time for your gang to kill the tackler so you can get out. It also allows time for Logi reps to land.
CPR - depending on fit - run all TDs, MWD for longer. Kite.
Shield tank - it gives you Nano's + whatever it was you had.

And fitting mods, allows you to do so much more (if you want to).

What about the alternatives?
High: lol - what for. 4 gives you 2 Weapons, Neut, DLA for a kiting fit or 2 x Anti-tackle Wpns, 2 x Neut for a brawler fit.n A 5th high IS wasted.
Med: yeah. probably better than that extra low. But 4/6/4 Arbi is too good.
Either MWD, Long point, 4 x TDs or MWD, Long Pt, 3 x TDs, Cap Booster or MWD, Scram, Web, 2 x Tds, Cap Booster or MWD, LSE, Invuln, 3 x TD or MWD, 2 x LSE, Invuln, 2 X TD. Any of which makes it hands down the best EWAR ship in the game.

4/5/5 Arbi is balanced. 5 Mids make you have to choose what you want to do with the ship. Brawl with Neuts, 1 TD only. If you want 2 TDs, well you need to choose between point and a cap booster.

Luckily CCP, in their endless wisdom, have foreseen your complaint.

They have, through acts both miraculous and awe-inspiring, included in their game a feature that fully solves your complaint.

For CCP has given to you, in their boundless grace, the option that for any slot you deem not to add anything to the ship, for any slot you deem pointless, you may leave that slot...

empty.