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Amplification Node Loki?
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Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#1 - 2012-09-13 16:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Dibblerette
I was screwing around in EFT this morning and discovered that a pair of Lokis (One boosting, one fighting), and a set of Halo implants, and if the booster has a skirmish mindlink, you can get the combat Loki's signature radius down to about 50.1m. For comparison sake, a (true solo) MSE Merlin has a signature of 51.8. Shocked

The difference is, the Loki has about 67K EHP with the passive defence armor link, bonused web to nearly 70km hot, and can even fit dual prop to get under Battleship, and possible even the larger medium sized guns. The fit I whipped up is linked below, the boosting alt is pretty straightforward (3 skirmish links, passive defence armor link, skirmish mindlink)

[Loki, Dafuq]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Gistum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Loki Defensive - Amplification Node
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


Warrior II x5

With the drones, this fit does 630 dps at 1.5+18, or 519 dps at 3+27. Not exactly a ton, but when it appears to be coming from a frigate, it would be annoying to deal with, to say the least.

So I guess my question is, is this even a good idea? Or would pouring that ISK into a slave set be a better idea? Seems to me this Loki would be able to hunt Drakes with impunity, and the minuscule signature plus the MWD would make it difficult to catch, though far from impossible.

EDIT: Obviously the lowslots could use some tweaking, for example a drake hunter would probably want a nice faction/deadspace active kinetic hardener. Guns can be downgraded to 220mm if tracking is an issue, or swap one of the rigs for a tracking rig. Dual prop was only put on to show that it fits, dual web might be of more use, especially if you stick to 425mm guns.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#2 - 2012-09-14 03:42:02 UTC
So I heard T3s are balanced...

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Kielo Night
Kismesis
#3 - 2012-09-14 04:33:58 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I heard T3s are balanced...

Remember that this includes ganglinks, and he's comparing it to ships without ganglinks.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#4 - 2012-09-14 04:39:27 UTC
Kielo Night wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I heard T3s are balanced...

Remember that this includes ganglinks, and he's comparing it to ships without ganglinks.

Expensive ship + high grade implant set + booster alt yeah, but the point remains that you can have frigate sized lokis running around.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#5 - 2012-09-14 04:41:16 UTC
Kielo Night wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I heard T3s are balanced...

Remember that this includes ganglinks, and he's comparing it to ships without ganglinks.

Ganglinks from... what ship? Oh, T3s.

The OP's Loki is the epitome of T3s, and thus a super balanced solo ship.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#6 - 2012-09-14 04:59:34 UTC
Dibblerette wrote:
Kielo Night wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I heard T3s are balanced...

Remember that this includes ganglinks, and he's comparing it to ships without ganglinks.

Expensive ship + high grade implant set + booster alt yeah, but the point remains that you can have frigate sized lokis running around.


That'd be a expensive as hell frig roam

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Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#7 - 2012-09-14 05:05:14 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Dibblerette wrote:
Kielo Night wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I heard T3s are balanced...

Remember that this includes ganglinks, and he's comparing it to ships without ganglinks.

Expensive ship + high grade implant set + booster alt yeah, but the point remains that you can have frigate sized lokis running around.


That'd be a expensive as hell frig roam

To balance it out you could have Lokis and the new winter logi frigates. Like armor HACs on miniature steroids!
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#8 - 2012-09-14 12:52:12 UTC
You won't go anywhere or web anything when neuted.

... I mean, please carry on camping Gonditsa in such T3s. Twisted
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-09-14 13:20:49 UTC
thats great and all but ever seen how fast a "truly solo merlin" dies?

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#10 - 2012-09-14 14:26:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dibblerette
Daneel Trevize wrote:
You won't go anywhere or web anything when neuted.

... I mean, please carry on camping Gonditsa in such T3s. Twisted


Why would you want a low sig for gatecamping? That's just dumb. Hefty Armor buffer would be much better. Plus you have a spare mid you could swap for a capbooster if you're so concerned, but this fit has no real reason to be fighting in neut range, especially mediums/smalls. On the other hand, what my alliance mates choose to do with their ISK is none of my business, and certainly none of yours.

Muad 'dib wrote:
thats great and all but ever seen how fast a "truly solo merlin" dies?


Well obviously you still need to pick your targets, same as anything. Truly solo merlin isn't too bad, especially since the buff. Anyways, I wasn't trying to say there was no counter to this ship, just an interesting idea when you can shrink such an interesting stat down so much.
Ginger Barbarella
#11 - 2012-09-14 15:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Kielo Night wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I heard T3s are balanced...

Remember that this includes ganglinks, and he's comparing it to ships without ganglinks.

Ganglinks from... what ship? Oh, T3s.

The OP's Loki is the epitome of T3s, and thus a super balanced solo ship.


Tears are bad, m'kay? So is butthurt, but hey, some people like that.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-14 15:55:57 UTC
if you were really evil you would combine a low sig with the dual ASBs ive been hearing so much about, add some gang links to really rub it in.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#13 - 2012-09-14 15:58:15 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Kielo Night wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I heard T3s are balanced...

Remember that this includes ganglinks, and he's comparing it to ships without ganglinks.

Ganglinks from... what ship? Oh, T3s.

The OP's Loki is the epitome of T3s, and thus a super balanced solo ship.


Tears are bad, m'kay? So is butthurt, but hey, some people like that.

I thought the tear quota in the thread was rather low, so I was trying to help. Sorry if it was distressing to you.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-09-17 07:05:34 UTC
I don't understand really. Its StS ratio is 5 time worse than one of a real frigate, pretty much perky cruiser still (EHP is pretty normal in comparision with dualprop HACs).

I heard that people want T3s to be toned down, but this particular thing isn't something to heavily contribute to cause's justification.

Or I am mission something.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Kielo Night
Kismesis
#15 - 2012-09-19 03:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kielo Night
Comparing a t3 to a frigate is really silly no matter how you phrase it

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Kielo Night wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I heard T3s are balanced...

Remember that this includes ganglinks, and he's comparing it to ships without ganglinks.

Ganglinks from... what ship? Oh, T3s.

The OP's Loki is the epitome of T3s, and thus a super balanced solo ship.

do you know what a claymore is
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#16 - 2012-09-19 03:57:23 UTC
Kielo Night wrote:
Comparing a t3 to a frigate is really silly no matter how you phrase it

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Kielo Night wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I heard T3s are balanced...

Remember that this includes ganglinks, and he's comparing it to ships without ganglinks.

Ganglinks from... what ship? Oh, T3s.

The OP's Loki is the epitome of T3s, and thus a super balanced solo ship.

do you know what a claymore is

And the last time you saw a Claymore boosting a solo ship instead of a Loki was...?

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