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Corwain
Rum Booty Plunder
#61 - 2012-09-13 15:16:13 UTC
Posting in an epic thread, back in the day I flew sober. NowadaysI need to make it interesting somehow...anymore losing an expensive ship to a blob is a foregone conclusion. Might as well make it fun.

I was rolling my first time in a 0.0 sniper BS fleet. Only only ran one red gate. Big smile The FC was pissed though, as usual. I wish I could have shared with him.

Nowadays I "Buy high sell sober" as was so eloquently put up there ^

I need to add that to my indie alt's bio...

Alcohol on the other hand just makes me dizzy and barfy and ZZZZZzzzzzz *drool*

To each his own
Robert De'Arneth
#62 - 2012-09-13 15:40:47 UTC
I found a long time ago that morals get in the way of anything fun, so I dumped them. I also dumped the idiotic notion that what anyone does is in anyway any of my business.

I will also always come down on the side of freedom, it is their life, their time and their body. Nothing they do will ever concern me for any reason. It would be a much better world if people always came down on the side of freedom.


So in closing, I do not care what anyone does withe THEIR time, just like i do not care that you DO do drugs in the form of cigs.. Big smile

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Rascal deJascal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-09-13 16:21:31 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Yup, nothing like shooting up while in a 2000 person fleet fight


I don't think that's the drug of choice for many EVE players. Pretty sure it's not actually.


Well, shooting up is a method, and not a drug.

What we have here is a sanctimonious OP who wants to brag about how correctly he lives. What a hypocrite, tobacco is far stronger a drug than the marijuana he condemns and tobacco is far more damaging to health. And I'll bet he denies he smokes to get a 'high'.
Drew Kaps
Black Watch Initiative
#64 - 2012-09-13 16:23:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Drew Kaps
Mars Theran wrote:
Drew Kaps wrote:
I'm a bartender, and I find that it's easier to play when I'm drunk. Hell, every thing is easier drunk. Took me two days to learn the basics of this game sober, took me a few minutes to accidentally discover a great load out for my Caracal. I wouldn't mind playing sober, but it's just so much fun after a drinks of the Sailor. I also smoke, but not weed or cigarettes. I smoke hookah. Does that make me a bad person?

Oh, and coffee. Lots and lots of coffee.


I never really understood Turkish Tobacco, but I've never tried it. There was a place in a city I lived in once that made a business of provided a place to sit and smoke various flavors of tobacco, (mango, and various other things), but I figured it wouldn't help me to try it and I imagine it was a bit pricy.

I suppose it might not be that bad, but the idea of smoking tobacco that way is a little unusual to me.


I enjoy it. There's nothing better than sitting down with the friends around a hookah and smoking and laughing together. A cigarette is for "solo flying," it's what you do to get a quick fix and move on with your day. But with a hookah, you can sit down with friends and enjoy each others company. The fact that it doesn't have tar or rat poison and is only straight tobacco with its natural level of nicotine (which is below 0.05% I believe) makes it that much more appealing.

EDIT: If you're trying it for the first time, I suggest either Peach, Melon and Mango (if you aren't into sweet flavors). If you want sweet, Pomegranate, Kiwi and Mint. Make sure you go easy on the Mint though. Also, make sure it's Al Fahker. People will tell you Starbuzz is better, but Al Fahker is the legit imported stuff and Starbuzz is grown here in America. Also, there's Tangiers flavor which is grown by a chemist that lives in San Diego, but that stuff is SO HARSH that I can't even smoke it even though I've been smoking hookah for almost eight years.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#65 - 2012-09-13 16:23:19 UTC
I've flown drunk before..... Had an epic roam where we shot Blue's......

I don't do drugs, so no comment there.


No, I didn't tell VR.....
Brylan Grey
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-09-13 16:37:08 UTC
When I first tried EVE long ago, I'd drink wine while mining... like a boss.
ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-09-13 17:05:20 UTC
Beer is good for you its a food and playing EVE sober is boring. Big smile

You only realise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-09-13 17:08:13 UTC
Sit back roll another joint and mine because thats what I do now if im on my pvp pilots hunting other pilots down its hard to roll a joint while locking targets thats why I prefer to cut out some big crazy rails GO Cocaine Cowboys.

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Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#69 - 2012-09-13 17:35:16 UTC
OP must play in highsec where drugs are illegal.

Nullsec is full of drugs
Lilliana Stelles
#70 - 2012-09-13 17:46:07 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zj50DmBFp0

...

I don't see reason to play Sober.

Eve is so risky.
I love T3 pvp, for example. But if I'm all worried about losing it, I may as well stay docked.

Alcohol is the cure.

Not a forum alt. 
Tiger Would
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-09-13 18:17:31 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Hey buddy. Have you ever played spaceships...

Have you ever played spaceships WHILE HIGH ON WEED?!


You did it wrong...

"Have you ever played internet spaceships, on weeeeeeed?"


I bow to the weedlord some crackhead stole my copy of that movie. It was in my X-box.

IRONIC ISN'T IT?



Ide say chronic....*shrug*

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#72 - 2012-09-13 18:41:55 UTC
Just a point, different drugs impact people differently. look at alcohol. Some drinkers become mellow, some violent; some lose all inhibitions, others clam up.

Other drugs are the same. I've seen people wired out if their minds using one drug, while other people, using the same quantiry at the sane time become more mellow.

The end result, just because one drug may lead you to behave in one manner, the sane may not be true to others, so making generalizations is foolish. I've met many a drunk roam crashing through every gatecamp they could find. Me, if i get that drunk, i prefer to dock up and pass out. On the other hand, I am way too wired normally. I get locked up and i panic, becoming a useless wreck in combat. But if I partake in a puff, I am far more relaxed, do not panic, and can often fly myself out of the situation or at least continue to contribute productively till I am in my pod.

So to quote an old sitcom... "now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you, may not be right for some."
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-09-14 00:55:24 UTC
I agree with OP.

Occasionally plays sober
Lord Arakkis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-09-14 01:12:50 UTC
Drugs....what else am I supposed to do making the 17 jumps to Jita? Talk in corp chat?

Your still a child in the eyes of the universe
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#75 - 2012-09-14 01:14:22 UTC
Doddy wrote:
You smoke which is a more harmful and more expensive habit than most recreational drug habits, so what exactly is your point.



bwahaha.. who do you think you're kidding? Where did you get the notion that smoking was more harmful, (medical studies say weed is 40% more likely to cause Cancer than cigarettes, and that's just weed), and more expensive, (Costs me $300 a month or so, and I've known people to blow $1-200 in single night on alcohol before it cost 80% of the price of a pack of cigarettes for a bottle of beer at the bar, and that's just alcohol), than 'most' recreational drugs.

Lets get back to the 'most' bit.

You do realize that inexpensive drugs, (not including cheap pharmaceuticals, legals like Rush, cough syrup, mouthwash, or rubbing alcohol to name a few), are the minority don't you?

I've never purchased or even looked at the price of purchasing anything serious, but I do know people sink their entire wallets, (there bi-weekly pay short of rent if they don't forget), into fun for a night or a weekend that leaves them penniless and often starving until the next payday.

Most 'serious' drug addicts share accommodations with others and work out how to afford the rent between them. Non-taxpaying migrant laborers, (fruit-pickers around here mostly), have a group that has a 4 off; 2 on mentality, meaning 2 guys work for a couple days then come back and blow their collective pay on drugs and alcohol, while another 2 go out and work for 2 days and come back and do the same.

The whole group spends and average of 60% of their time for the duration of the season drunk and wasted or somewhere between high and low without settling on sober for long. They save none of it--afaik--on average and end up working to get back home because they can barely afford gas, or hitch-hiking and begging for food along the way to wherever they originated from or wherever they happen to be going.

Quite often they make an average of $20-25 an hour 6-10 hours a day, for when they are working.

Meth melts your brain, Crack kills and destroys all cognizant awareness as it destroys the brain, Cocaine destroys your heart and eats away the lining of your nasal passages, and various other things. Most people who use any of these regularly or even irregularly are quite possibly, and even somewhat likely, to die before they are 30, or even 20.

When was the last time you heard that about cigarettes? ..or compared the user of one to the user of the other with regard to social and psychological interaction and behaviors? You are aware that most young children addicted to meth end up developing sociopathic tendencies, and are considered violent and dangerous to all people around them?

The primary reason tobacco is as bad as it is, is because the 'Big Tobacco' companies put Benzene in it to keep cigarettes burning, (even when in the ashtray or presumably butted out in many cases), use insecticides and herbicides in the growing process, never clean the plants, but instead hang them to dry and spray them with more poisons during the curing process to keep the bugs and rats off, then begin to process the tobacco by adding various other toxins and poisons to 'enhance' the flavor and stuff like Benzene to make sure that people go through them faster, and nicotine of course, because they are not addictive enough as is, naturally.

Natural tobacco is just a leaf, a bit of smoke, some carbon dioxide and--depending on the burn--varying, but low amounts of Carbon Monoxide and nicotine, along with various other simple and common products of combustion.

..or to put it another way, natural tobacco is like a wood burning fire, and processed, manufactured tobacco is like a forge fire full of anthracite and no ventilation, if that makes more sense.

certainly it's shorter.

Crack and Meth are Drano and various other things. Some of the other stuff is bad in other ways, and I've heard people even like to drink anti-freeze.


Worse than most? No, but it is bad.
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#76 - 2012-09-14 01:15:46 UTC
Lord Arakkis wrote:
Drugs....what else am I supposed to do making the 17 jumps to Jita? Talk in corp chat?



..or you could watch the people pinging you with ship scans and checking your cargo bay for valuables. Smile
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Salarc
SalCorp
#77 - 2012-09-14 04:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Salarc
Mars Theran wrote:
Doddy wrote:
You smoke which is a more harmful and more expensive habit than most recreational drug habits, so what exactly is your point.



bwahaha.. who do you think you're kidding? Where did you get the notion that smoking was more harmful, (medical studies say weed is 40% more likely to cause Cancer than cigarettes, and that's just weed), and more expensive, (Costs me $300 a month or so, and I've known people to blow $1-200 in single night on alcohol before it cost 80% of the price of a pack of cigarettes for a bottle of beer at the bar, and that's just alcohol), than 'most' recreational drugs.

Lets get back to the 'most' bit.

You do realize that inexpensive drugs, (not including cheap pharmaceuticals, legals like Rush, cough syrup, mouthwash, or rubbing alcohol to name a few), are the minority don't you?

I've never purchased or even looked at the price of purchasing anything serious, but I do know people sink their entire wallets, (there bi-weekly pay short of rent if they don't forget), into fun for a night or a weekend that leaves them penniless and often starving until the next payday.

Most 'serious' drug addicts share accommodations with others and work out how to afford the rent between them. Non-taxpaying migrant laborers, (fruit-pickers around here mostly), have a group that has a 4 off; 2 on mentality, meaning 2 guys work for a couple days then come back and blow their collective pay on drugs and alcohol, while another 2 go out and work for 2 days and come back and do the same.

The whole group spends and average of 60% of their time for the duration of the season drunk and wasted or somewhere between high and low without settling on sober for long. They save none of it--afaik--on average and end up working to get back home because they can barely afford gas, or hitch-hiking and begging for food along the way to wherever they originated from or wherever they happen to be going.

Quite often they make an average of $20-25 an hour 6-10 hours a day, for when they are working.

Meth melts your brain, Crack kills and destroys all cognizant awareness as it destroys the brain, ******* destroys your heart and eats away the lining of your nasal passages, and various other things. Most people who use any of these regularly or even irregularly are quite possibly, and even somewhat likely, to die before they are 30, or even 20.

When was the last time you heard that about cigarettes? ..or compared the user of one to the user of the other with regard to social and psychological interaction and behaviors? You are aware that most young children addicted to meth end up developing sociopathic tendencies, and are considered violent and dangerous to all people around them?

The primary reason tobacco is as bad as it is, is because the 'Big Tobacco' companies put Benzene in it to keep cigarettes burning, (even when in the ashtray or presumably butted out in many cases), use insecticides and herbicides in the growing process, never clean the plants, but instead hang them to dry and spray them with more poisons during the curing process to keep the bugs and rats off, then begin to process the tobacco by adding various other toxins and poisons to 'enhance' the flavor and stuff like Benzene to make sure that people go through them faster, and nicotine of course, because they are not addictive enough as is, naturally.

Natural tobacco is just a leaf, a bit of smoke, some carbon dioxide and--depending on the burn--varying, but low amounts of Carbon Monoxide and nicotine, along with various other simple and common products of combustion.

..or to put it another way, natural tobacco is like a wood burning fire, and processed, manufactured tobacco is like a forge fire full of anthracite and no ventilation, if that makes more sense.

certainly it's shorter.

Crack and Meth are Drano and various other things. Some of the other stuff is bad in other ways, and I've heard people even like to drink anti-freeze.


Worse than most? No, but it is bad.


Holy Jesus I've never actually met someone so sure yet so horrifically informed as you...
Look up some rational drug scalings see where your tobacco falls, also caffeine in your coffee

No wait ill do it for you, obviously from the bias studies youve read you can't be trusted to find good info yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco

Take note that this is just tobacco no the other nonsense thats added.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Health_effects

Not as bad as tobacco, but a list of problems at least as long as what you were attributing to other things.
Now lets check the horribly harmful toxin weed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana#Effects

**** whats that? no negative physical effects holy batman.

If you want to keep looking you will find out things like mdma, shrooms, lsd, are all vastly better for you and safer in the long run then drinking caffeine and ESPECIALLY smoking cigarettes. Like its common knowledge that tobacco is the number one drug killer in the world.... so I'm really not sure how you could have such insane notions.

Tobacco deaths
"The World Health Organization(WHO) reports it to be the leading preventable cause of death worldwide and estimates that it currently causes 5.4 million deaths per year."

Weed deaths
"negligible"
Lsd/shrooms
"negligible"
Mdma
"ecstasy use compared favorably with horse riding in terms of risk, with ecstasy leading to around 30 deaths a year in the UK compared to about 10 from horse riding, and "acute harm to person" occurring in approximately 1 in 10,000 episodes of ecstasy use compared to about 1 in 350 episodes of horse riding"

Thought it was a funny comparison. Those deadly horses you know, we should probably rid society of those to
Salarc
SalCorp
#78 - 2012-09-14 04:42:02 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Doddy wrote:
You smoke which is a more harmful and more expensive habit than most recreational drug habits, so what exactly is your point.


Most 'serious' drug addicts share accommodations with others and work out how to afford the rent between them. Non-taxpaying migrant laborers, (fruit-pickers around here mostly), have a group that has a 4 off; 2 on mentality, meaning 2 guys work for a couple days then come back and blow their collective pay on drugs and alcohol, while another 2 go out and work for 2 days and come back and do the same.

The whole group spends and average of 60% of their time for the duration of the season drunk and wasted or somewhere between high and low without settling on sober for long. They save none of it--afaik--on average and end up working to get back home because they can barely afford gas, or hitch-hiking and begging for food along the way to wherever they originated from or wherever they happen to be going.

Quite often they make an average of $20-25 an hour 6-10 hours a day, for when they are working.

Meth melts your brain, Crack kills and destroys all cognizant awareness as it destroys the brain, ******* destroys your heart and eats away the lining of your nasal passages, and various other things. Most people who use any of these regularly or even irregularly are quite possibly, and even somewhat likely, to die before they are 30, or even 20.

When was the last time you heard that about cigarettes? ..or compared the user of one to the user of the other with regard to social and psychological interaction and behaviors? You are aware that most young children addicted to meth end up developing sociopathic tendencies, and are considered violent and dangerous to all people around them?

The primary reason tobacco is as bad as it is, is because the 'Big Tobacco' companies put Benzene in it to keep cigarettes burning, (even when in the ashtray or presumably butted out in many cases), use insecticides and herbicides in the growing process, never clean the plants, but instead hang them to dry and spray them with more poisons during the curing process to keep the bugs and rats off, then begin to process the tobacco by adding various other toxins and poisons to 'enhance' the flavor and stuff like Benzene to make sure that people go through them faster, and nicotine of course, because they are not addictive enough as is, naturally.

Natural tobacco is just a leaf, a bit of smoke, some carbon dioxide and--depending on the burn--varying, but low amounts of Carbon Monoxide and nicotine, along with various other simple and common products of combustion.

..or to put it another way, natural tobacco is like a wood burning fire, and processed, manufactured tobacco is like a forge fire full of anthracite and no ventilation, if that makes more sense.

certainly it's shorter.

Crack and Meth are Drano and various other things. Some of the other stuff is bad in other ways, and I've heard people even like to drink anti-freeze.


Worse than most? No, but it is bad.


I'm not sure what your crazy notion of commune drug addicts is from either, but its definitely not true. Sure there might be like 5 people that do that in the world whatever its not valid generally.

Meth does no such melting and crack no such raping, I've had both in my system a side effect of finding m at a club, always so dirty, but if you look at good rational scalings you will find that a little bit of meth or crack is vastly better then a binge of alcohol. Its about moderation.

Also your crazy notion that nicotine is good because it causes less social deviance is misinformed. Every met someone on heroin or some opioid? Chill, cool and social as hell, destroying themselves if they do it all the time? of course. some drugs cause more social deviance then others this is true, however that isn't a good way to rate there effective harm.

Also tobacco is natural, just like opium. Good for you? good lord no nicotine does all sorts of horrible things to the body even in pure form. Some nerve toxins are also naturally occurring, you don't see me loading up on them.

If you have anything else your misinformed on don't be shy and make sure to let me know
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-09-14 04:57:11 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Everytime I've tried to play this game drunk (twice) I just end up spinning my ship in the hangar and yappin away in a chatroom


This.

Or I decide to fly a spaceship & lose it in a horrible way.

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Msgerbs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-09-14 05:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Msgerbs
I've never played EVE drunk (or been drunk at all), but I've been in plenty of nullsec fleets with drunk people (including a few FCs)... Had buckets of fun.

"It's just a drake on a gate, why isn't it dead yet?!"