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Petition for system name change for Vile Rat

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DAV3Y JON3S
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#161 - 2012-09-14 06:59:50 UTC
VR-RAT has a good ring to it. Prolly should made original content.

+1
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#162 - 2012-09-14 07:05:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
I think renaming a nullsec system VR-RIP or some memorial version thereof is a great idea, how about VFK-IV?
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#163 - 2012-09-14 07:23:04 UTC
No support from here, would set a precedent. Gallente militia already tried this one but fortunately it was hushed up rapidly.
Signal11th
#164 - 2012-09-14 07:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
FDIC Agent wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
FDIC Agent wrote:
Why is it that goons go to extreme measures to mock the death of other players and even getting on stage demanding action be taken to cause someone to kill themselves... but when one of their own dies, it is serious business??

How about you guys treat all death with respect and don't harrass those grieving.


Interesting...

Someone earlier thought it was bad to judge individuals on their actions or behavior, but it's OK to judge entire groups of people based on the actions of other members of the group? I think not.

Actually, it is *this* type of thinking that leads to the violence that started the protests, riots and deaths. It's this type of thinking that starts most wars.

Ascribing the actions of one to the entire group he belongs to, and transferring your hatred for one onto the others of the group is at the root of the problem.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But the reputation that goons have built is not out of accident. They (as in goons) thrive on the grief of others. So much so they've gone out of their way to ridicule victims of suicide attacks and death of other people through their silly "jihad" campaigns, mockeries, or other distasteful foolishness. And it may be the case that not all goons participate in these "events". But if they're going to wear the "goon" tag they need to understand the perception it brings on them as a group. the same way, say a *** member, needs to understand the perception that is brought on him by merely being a member of the group.

With that said, what happend to Sean is very tragic and unfortunate and I can only hope that his family and loved ones are able to cope and carry on quickly, especially his children. This community has come together to show its support of a fallen and fellow player, which on its own is quite amazing. A monument doesn't sound like a bad idea, although renaming a system, in my opinion, may be setting up an unfair precedent.


Well said. I suggest everyone to read up on the full history of a group and the kind of activities they do before joining them.



^^

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FDIC Agent
Doomheim
#165 - 2012-09-14 07:33:50 UTC
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#166 - 2012-09-14 07:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
FDIC Agent wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM7Rj-As1-s

Anyone care to explain this?

Goons will be Goons?
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#167 - 2012-09-14 08:11:12 UTC
There is no need to rename a system. There exists a system in the "Estoria" region called VR-YRV. Alternatively there is VR-YIQ.

Don't know what you could use the YRV for.

You will be Remembered Verily or something.

Either way I propose we form a procession to VR-YRV and shoot anything on our path. Who is with me?

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Frying Doom
#168 - 2012-09-14 08:23:35 UTC
Moostang wrote:
Signed.


CCP - Please do this for our fallen hero!! He has had a massive influence on this game, this sandbox, this life, that we know as Eve-Online.

I can see ho harm in a monument in the system he is currently in and even if we had one for every fallen player well this is the biggest gaming universe in existence.

So +1

Rest in peace Vile Rat.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#169 - 2012-09-14 12:12:51 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
FDIC Agent wrote:
Why is it that goons go to extreme measures to mock the death of other players and even getting on stage demanding action be taken to cause someone to kill themselves... but when one of their own dies, it is serious business??

How about you guys treat all death with respect and don't harrass those grieving.


Interesting...

Someone earlier thought it was bad to judge individuals on their actions or behavior, but it's OK to judge entire groups of people based on the actions of other members of the group? I think not.

Actually, it is *this* type of thinking that leads to the violence that started the protests, riots and deaths. It's this type of thinking that starts most wars.

Ascribing the actions of one to the entire group he belongs to, and transferring your hatred for one onto the others of the group is at the root of the problem.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But the reputation that goons have built is not out of accident. They (as in goons) thrive on the grief of others. So much so they've gone out of their way to ridicule victims of suicide attacks and death of other people through their silly "jihad" campaigns, mockeries, or other distasteful foolishness. And it may be the case that not all goons participate in these "events". But if they're going to wear the "goon" tag they need to understand the perception it brings on them as a group. the same way, say a *** member, needs to understand the perception that is brought on him by merely being a member of the group.


Indeed, this is also true. That kind of public image is a good reason to distrust or avoid a person because of the group they belong to.

It isn't enough to justify mistreating someone, however. Keep that distinction in mind.

Innocent until proven guilty, not guilt by association.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Dewayne Hicks
Alcohol Fueled Brutality
#170 - 2012-09-14 12:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dewayne Hicks
As hard as it is to hear about another member of our community passing, especially in the manner Vile Rat has, he is not the first, nor will he be the last. I did not know him, nor ever talk to him as far as I can remember, but I knew who he was and how much he impacted our in-game world. For those that were close to him in-game and real life friends with him I sympathize and know the pain you feel, I went thru the same pain several years ago. We tried everything, including my offering to pay a small fortune to CCP in real money for a monument to a person alot of folks loved like family. But as Verone stated, CCP has never allowed such a device in-game as it would cause alot of issues, favoritism, etc etc etc.

The whole idea of one monument with every fallen person's name on it in highsec is a good and viable idea, however making a system in VR's name is going to cause more trouble\issues than it will heal the hurting alot of people are feeling now. And just from my personal experiance, having an in-your-face reminder like that would do more harm than good. If he was anything like what I have been reading about, he would not want anyone close to him, in game or real life feeling bad, he would want folks to get on with life and enjoy every minute you have. The best way to memorialize him in my opinion is to tell and re-tell stories of his exploits, and I am sure there are alot of them to tell. As long as he is in your hearts he will never be forgotten.

It will be interesting to see if someone in Goons will pick up and carry on the path he paved in diplomacy. My best wishes to his family.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
eddie valvetino
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-09-14 12:26:10 UTC
Rashmika Clavain wrote:
Maybe!

My initial reaction is based upon the application of value to the deceased. I think all are equal in death, yet to start naming systems after an individual attaches a value to said individual.

Who are we [collectively] to decide who is more valuable than another? :shrug:

Besides, I think the best monument to a fallen EVE player is an Officer fit Titan wreck on a low sec gate Cool

Ninja Edit:

I recall some chap from a corp called the Channel 4 news Team (or something) passed away. They celebrated his life by dropping six Moms into Tama resulting in a massive pewpew fest. That's the way to be remembered, and in fact, proof is in the pudding. I do remember him nad the event.


I was one of the support fleet for this, was spot on, a personal thing, sorted by guys that knew him. It was suitable and correct.

I think we are all horrified by the details of VR's passing and that makes it all the more difficult for those who knew him well.

System names changes are just not on a monument in goon space or even in Jita... I think would be okay... damn rename a whole planet if you want.

I think we, perhaps we should be thinking about ways we as a community can help those he left behind, two kids and a wife. rather than how we mark is passing.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#172 - 2012-09-14 16:37:33 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
In the Sandbox that is EVE, we can make our own memorials:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12


I respect your sentiment, but it's not appropriate in a video game. We'll remember him always, and knowing Goons, they'll always have some way to be sure he's never forgotten.


This and I know Titan wrecks used to stay on grid, I don't know about the names of them though. If it is the case that you can name a Titan to make it a memorial again, I am sure Goons can make that happen.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#173 - 2012-09-16 02:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Weiland Taur
This is an interesting idea. However it begs the question of why do we not set up memorials for every soldier who is killed and can never log in again, every firefighter, policeman, teacher, mother, brother... Sean Smith sounds like he was a very decent human being and the Goons and everyone else has the in game tools to honor his memory. Over three hundred stations were renamed to honor him. Thousands and thousands of players held him and his family in their prayers. I actually saw the trolling on the recrutiment channel stop for a moment of silence. That is the power that is the Eve community.

The sad fact is that CCP setting up a memorial for him says that we must now do the same for every player that passes or passes in service (we must then decide what is valid service) or we state that his passing was more important because his alliance was the biggest. That is not a good message to send nor is it fair.

I imagine that as long as Goons lay waste to the spacelanes of Eve (and do some really cool stuff like Burn Jita) that a memorial will exist to Vile Rat. That is appropriate and far more real than a CCP anchored batch of pixels because whatever station is renamed must be held, sov must be paid, invaders repulsed. It is a memorial that must be maintained and can never simply become part of the scenery. Noobs will ask who was Vile Rat and his memory will live as long as the server is powered. Their is something beautiful in that.

This is a Goon torch to hold and I am sure they will do a brilliant job of holding it.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#174 - 2012-09-16 03:13:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Honestly after reading about exactly why Sean died, the sacrifice he made so that other men and women will be able to spend christmas with their children this year and for many years to come, after reading some of the stories people have shared about the guy. I gotta admit that any reluctance I had about CCP officially honoring the man in game are completely gone. Fact is their are certain members of this community that have done more for it than the majority of us ever will, Sean Smith was one of them, and on top of that he gave his life so that who knows how many others may live. The least we could do is immortalize him with some sort of pixels in the form of a monument, his favorite ship, something somewhere in the game. And so what if it sets a precedent, does anyone think Sean is gonna be the last great contributor of this game to ever pass away? Will people not want to honor other great contributors to our community such Chribba, Seleene, Shadoo, and others who's names I'm too new to know?

Fact is the guy deserves it, and the fact he was a Goon is beside the point, so I say let their be a monument, the only question is really what would be the most fitting, and what is CCP willing to create.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Ryhss
#175 - 2012-09-16 05:22:52 UTC
I don't know who Vile was but I'd sign to change the name to VR-RIP. I'd add some numbers, like VR-RIP91212 or whatever his death date was.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2012-09-16 11:36:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
No. Renaming a whole solar system to commemorate Vile Rat, while touching, is going too far. The furthest we should go with this is a monument, and without knowing Vile Rat's personal thoughts on this, I think he'd appreciate it if it were put, not in Jita, but in a system such as Poitot. This way everyone could take a few hours out of their day once in a while to make a remembrance trip if they wanted to, while not tooting the horn too much.

Doing anything more than that would be overkill.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#177 - 2012-09-16 11:40:35 UTC
Usually the smallest gestures have a big impact on remembering someone. Naming a system is a bit much, and as other have said sets a precedent. Doing something smaller like a named NPC named Vile Rat(or Sean Smith) in the NPE missions that tells the pilot "Every Rifter Counts" has a much lasting effect imo. You can add the "Every Rifter Counts, Little Bee" however I doubt that would go over well with some.

Granted I didn't know him personally, so not sure if he cared much for (non goon)newbies or the NPE. Just a thought.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Demolishar
United Aggression
#178 - 2012-09-16 11:50:53 UTC
Nah, keep in-game and real-life seperate IMO.
Dan Carter Murray
#179 - 2012-09-16 12:29:20 UTC
Everyone who wants a monument or system name change could instead donate real money to build a real monument in Libya outside the embassy.

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Umarillian
Dead poets society
#180 - 2012-09-16 14:59:29 UTC
I personally disagree with using a system name for remembering the deceased. However, I would fully support the idea of using those dull "Quafe Signs" as memorials.

Either place a sign with the character's visage in one particular system or set up a non-intrusive loop so that all quafe signs will swap to display a memorial for a few hours out of the day.

All signs, random chance to show a memorial, random chance of a particular memorial out of all that have passed.


-Umarillian