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PLEX Drive For Vile Rats Family?

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Cephias Caine
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-09-12 15:45:15 UTC
I only spoke to VR once, and it was acrimoniously. But I know of his actions and his contributions to our game and, by extension, to all of our lives. His contributions were significant, his presence will be missed.

Whilst donating PLEX may not bring him back, and a memorial in an internet spaceships game might seem trite to some. I cant help but think that, regardless of how they might be seen objectively, these actions are the actions of a community of like minded, motivated and caring people. That we want act shows that we are human and that, regardless of how damning the media is of modern internet culture, we share a common bond in our love of this internet spaceships game.

The objective reality, is just that, objective.

If you are able to look at everything that happens arround you in life and remain dis-passionate and objective, then fine, I cannot ask you to change. But do not think less of those of us who would honour his memory by helping his family, or by erecting a monument to him. These things are what make us MORE human, and are the reason I love this community and this game.

We lose people everyday in EVE, My friend and ex-CEO Albatheron was taken from us, and I wish everyday that we could honour his memory by putting up a statue on the Fensi Hi-sec gate with some witty inscription to let every player who goes through that they do so only because Rags isn't with us any more. He served his country with distiction and he left behind a family who miss him very much.

This is an opportunity for us as a community to express our gratitude for all of our lost friends, including VR and Rags, who contributed in very different ways to our joy and our passion for this game.

For my sake, my prayers will be with his family, and my isk will be used to support this cause.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#62 - 2012-09-12 15:47:02 UTC
I would support this idea, as you stated this isnt the first time PLEXes have been raised to provide economic relief to those in need. VR was a major cornerstone of this game and its community. Yes, it is true money wont bring him back and his family may not need it immediately; however, it IS an outpouring to his family from his eve online friends. This isn't so much about material gains or such as it is making a statement to his family as a means of condolence from the community at large. Im sure in their position, the money isnt the comforting part of it instead it is the fact that a gaming community took the time to stop and honor one of its members.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#63 - 2012-09-12 15:47:23 UTC
Jake Maverick wrote:
His Eve actions have no bearing on what kind of a man he was in real life. Eve is a game where behind the mask of the anonymous we do w/e we want for the sake of the game. Without folks to do this kind of thing the game would stagnate and be uninteresting as there is only BARELY a story line to follow. we write the story and the story needs villains, You cannot hold someone accountable IRL for things they do in a game, so even if he DID do any of those things.. it means nothing to me.


Pretty much this.

We watch The Dark Knight and go on and on about how awesome the Joker is, but as soon as someone takes on an equally twisted persona in a video game and does bad stuff TO US, suddenly they're a horrible person? They're playing a part, just the same as Heath Ledger did. Some people just can't cope with the fact that they've made their own in-game role to be Bystander #47 instead of Batman.

Regardless of what you thought of Vile Rat, his actions, or his associates, he was a character. The man who put on that mask and added a lot of depth and story to this universe is gone now. I don't care how anyone personally feels about anyone else in Eve...this was tragic and we should afford him and his family some respect.

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Scooter McCabe
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2012-09-12 15:49:43 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
To be honest, I suspect whatever life insurance he had would far surpass anything we might give.

I think a better application of money from the community would be to donate to a scholarship fund or some charity that meant something to the man. Honor his memory by making a difference in his name, rather than simply handing his family a check that they (hopefully) don't need.

edit: Perhaps someone who knows the family could determine whether they were in need of the small bit of financial assistance we could provide.


Not knowing his personal finances I can tell you that while life insurance can met some immediate burdens it does not necessarily cover them all. When I worked as a financial adviser before the market crash insurance planning is an incredibly complex financial issue. Also a lot of private insurance companies will not cover acts of war, an attack on a U.S. consulate would be considered an act of war, so there is the possibility only his insurance through the State Department would be honored.

So what does this have to do with a college fund? Well establishing a college fund for his kids alleviates the financial burden on the family. From a financial planning stand point at answers the question of where the money needs to go to keep the family going. His family will be going through a lot for a long time and answering the question of "paying off the mortgage or sending the kids to college" is a question his family doesn't deserve to face.

Doing a college fund will remind the family they are not alone, the children will know their father was loved and respected, it won't return a father and husband to his family but it will help leaved his loved ones with a cherished memory. Hopefully that may be of some small comfort.
LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-09-12 15:50:03 UTC
How about setting up a charity fund in his name to help EVE players in similar situations?

In any case, whatever you guys end up doing, I will pledge a PLEX to it.

RIP and condolences to his family.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#66 - 2012-09-12 15:53:18 UTC
I'm space poor but I will happily donate ISK for some sort of memorial/financial help/charity donation in honour of Vile Rat, never knew him but know of him.

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-09-12 15:55:17 UTC
I would donate PLEX for this. The murdered man has left behind a wife and children.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Qorvis Communications
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-09-12 16:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Qorvis Communications
Scooter McCabe wrote:
snip for brevity

US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance.

Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with political and religious overtones.
Josshhh
You Can't Have Nice Things
#69 - 2012-09-12 16:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Josshhh
In my opinion people are getting off topic and bringing EVE into this , we are doing something to support the husband and farther who played EVE. not the character , the person.

Things like this must be difficult for CCP to moderate and make sure everything goes smoothly but surly they can understand the vast majority of people are wanting to contribute because of the terrible way this man was taken not only from EVE but from his family , his wife , and his children.

I never spoke to or met this person but i know of him and i feel for his family and close friends.



Also Daralux will support this.
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-09-12 16:10:59 UTC
Rats wrote:
Atedar Kerane wrote:
Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off



Wrong, money is collected to help dependents get there lives back on track... nothing to do with property

Tal


This.

His earnings stop coming in, his wifes life becomes hell and liklely wont be able to work for some yime while she deals with her emotions as well as dealing with the kids. They need to worry about so much for now, if we can help take money of their worries that's a start.

How about the kids college funds?
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#71 - 2012-09-12 16:11:00 UTC
Qorvis Communications wrote:
Scooter McCabe wrote:
snip for brevity

US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance.

Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with political and religious overtones.


None of that matters, the simple fact is a man is dead and people want to help out those he left behind, more power to them and I'll send whatever I can when something gets sorted out.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-09-12 16:11:12 UTC
Qorvis Communications wrote:
It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with policital and religious overtones.

I'm actually more interested in the fact that he played Eve and brought so much to it.

vOv

If it were some other countries citizen hurt by XYZ - I wouldn't care, it would still be "Eve Player Killed".

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Scooter McCabe
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2012-09-12 16:11:46 UTC
Qorvis Communications wrote:
Scooter McCabe wrote:
snip for brevity

US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance.

Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with policital and religious overtones.



There is something being organized but he wasn't an SA or Goonswarm community member alone. I don't see how its an imposition to give people the opportunity to act with compassion to a tragic event, as the last time I checked compassion knows no nationally, creed or ideology.
Jake Maverick
X11 Assault and Recon
#74 - 2012-09-12 16:17:19 UTC
Qorvis Communications wrote:
Scooter McCabe wrote:
snip for brevity

US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance.

Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with political and religious overtones.



We are an internet community, we shirked the constraints of our respective counties borders just to play a game, we can do it to do some good.

CCP does not have to burden themselves with political implications if enough of us (as citizens of the internet, regardless of what countries borders we log in from) show that we wish to do some good. As long as laws allow, CCP would be supporting our global communities desires, not the desires of any government or religion. I do not ask them to take any political stance, societal or...whatever the proper "al" word is for religions... stance.

I am just asking them to (if they can do so) open the legal isk->money machine so we can try to to do a little good for a family suffering.
Catlos JeminJees
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-09-12 16:20:40 UTC
I would donate to this as well
Sigash
Boozy Mining And Salvage Inc
#76 - 2012-09-12 16:21:39 UTC
Qorvis Communications wrote:
Scooter McCabe wrote:
snip for brevity

US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance.

Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with political and religious overtones.



I've never been in Goonswarm, I'm not a member of Something Awful, and I'm nto a US citizen.

Vile Rat was murdered, leaves a wife and family, and was a respected and now much missed fellow pilot.

I don't give to many charities, but sometimes individual stories make my cold heart weep. It's my duty to contribute to any fund going to his family.

o7 VR
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2012-09-12 16:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Wodensun
Rest in peace VR EvE will remember you and to the GSF my condolences on this black day.

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A Band Apart.
#78 - 2012-09-12 16:29:53 UTC
I would donate.

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Qorvis Communications
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-09-12 16:32:57 UTC
I don't understand why you think the only way to contribute is by way of a PLEX drive. Head over to something awful and/or the goon forums, if there isn't already a collection being taken, start one.

they're already on it. here's the link: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3506424
Jake Maverick
X11 Assault and Recon
#80 - 2012-09-12 16:35:59 UTC
Qorvis Communications wrote:
I don't understand why you think the only way to contribute is by way of a PLEX drive. Head over to something awful and/or the goon forums, if there isn't already a collection being taken, start one.

they're already on it. here's the link: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3506424


Because mainly: It is something directly from the Eve Community. And secondly, Some of us have plenty of isk but no money.
However I am thankful to you for providing the link to the SA page, as I would like to take advantage of the opportunity to help there as well.