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PLEX Drive For Vile Rats Family?

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Scooter McCabe
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-09-12 13:22:44 UTC
I believe the press release stated he had children, you want to do something, do a college fund for the kids.
Jake Maverick
X11 Assault and Recon
#22 - 2012-09-12 13:34:24 UTC
Kintaro Kinoshito wrote:



I totally agree, its the least we could do, to help as much as we can. In fact I will sell myself and donate all the plex to said fund. That should be 80 plex to start the ball rolling


That is incredibly generous, I wish I could come up with that kind of scratch as well. Hopefully CCP will back us ^_^
Jake Maverick
X11 Assault and Recon
#23 - 2012-09-12 13:38:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jake Maverick wrote:
Don't we owe his family a debt?
No.
But that's why it would be a meaningful gesture: because it's not some automatic repayment of dues owed, but done out of respect for him and as a statement in his memory.


I agree actually...
I didn't quite mean it like that. I meant , as human beings, not eve avatars, we owe them our gratitude and support not just because of what he did for our community, but also the respect and dignity, borne from our own humanity. It is the best way we can say to His family, that they have the support of our (Eve) Family :)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-09-12 13:39:18 UTC
Atedar Kerane wrote:
Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off



While OP's idea comes from a nice feeling I have to agree with Atedar.
It would be a better mark of respect from our community if that isk/money could be used for a special mark of respect for Sean.
I'm still in such disgust of this horrible news I can't think of anything meaningful enough representing the values of this great man.

brb
ChaseTheLasers
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#25 - 2012-09-12 13:42:18 UTC
Absolutely. No one has to donate if they are against it.
Jake Maverick
X11 Assault and Recon
#26 - 2012-09-12 13:45:13 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Atedar Kerane wrote:
Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off



While OP's idea comes from a nice feeling I have to agree with Atedar.
It would be a better mark of respect from our community if that isk/money could be used for a special mark of respect for Sean.
I'm still in such disgust of this horrible news I can't think of anything meaningful enough representing the values of this great man.


A monument sounds like a nice idea too actually... Even if it were like an ingame thing. Like the statues outside some stations in eve.

Even if CCP has some (legal?) reasons why they would not or could not do the PLEX fund (We could still organize our own thing outside of EvE Mechanics to donate real money) I am sure everyone would agree a Memorial statue to Vile Rat outside his home station would be a lovely thing.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#27 - 2012-09-12 13:49:11 UTC


I think this is an odd tone to set for a donation only because there are other EVE players that pass away every year I am sure. Although this stands out in many ways, I think that it's an odd tone for CCP to do this for one person.

I am sure that a real fund will be created to help with this and I'm sure that it will go to the right people that they can get real money into their hands to help that family without the need for CCP/PLEX to get involved.

Where I am.
Jake Maverick
X11 Assault and Recon
#28 - 2012-09-12 14:00:54 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:


I think this is an odd tone to set for a donation only because there are other EVE players that pass away every year I am sure. Although this stands out in many ways, I think that it's an odd tone for CCP to do this for one person.

I am sure that a real fund will be created to help with this and I'm sure that it will go to the right people that they can get real money into their hands to help that family without the need for CCP/PLEX to get involved.



I agree it is sort of odd, But this is someone who took time from his real life to make our whole community greater not just one corp or alliance, but all of Eve and as an Eve community, not a Goon community, or a Tribal Band community or a -A- community.

We should do what we can for his family. I never met him in game or out, but I Know he dedicated time and effort for my enjoyment. He and his family have my respect and are in my prayers, but I still want to help them. I know personally I can come up with a lot more cash via PLEX than I can via my bank account at the moment, but the only legal way for me to do that and not lose my character whom I've loved to play as for years... is to get CCP's support, and so for me and others in my situation who can do more for this mans family with CCP's help than we can without it, and want to, We appeal for the PLEX fund.

I also understand and so should everyone who has said they support this... there may be issues that CCP would not be able to overcome to make it happen, and we'd understand. But it would be good to get their weigh in on the subject anyway :D

That said if a real life fund does get set up, I hope it will be linked here so we can still do what we can with that.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-09-12 14:01:49 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:


I think this is an odd tone to set for a donation only because there are other EVE players that pass away every year I am sure. Although this stands out in many ways, I think that it's an odd tone for CCP to do this for one person.

I am sure that a real fund will be created to help with this and I'm sure that it will go to the right people that they can get real money into their hands to help that family without the need for CCP/PLEX to get involved.


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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#30 - 2012-09-12 14:14:56 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:


I think this is an odd tone to set for a donation only because there are other EVE players that pass away every year I am sure. Although this stands out in many ways, I think that it's an odd tone for CCP to do this for one person.




So, you are saying that it's OK if 5 EVE Players died simultaneously in the same incident.

And being mentioned in Press Releases by name by Hillary Clinton, the Sec. of State ?

Nah.....just an ordinary passing. Nothing to see here. Evil

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#31 - 2012-09-12 14:23:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


So, you are saying that it's OK if 5 EVE Players died simultaneously in the same incident.

And being mentioned in Press Releases by name by Hillary Clinton, the Sec. of State ?

Nah.....just an ordinary passing. Nothing to see here. Evil


I'm saying that when you have a national disaster in a country such as Haiti, Japan, and so forth where millions of lives are affected and completely disrupted, that something like PLEX4HAITI feels a lot more provocative.

I don't know that much about how the US Government takes care of employees lost in the line of fire like this, but I am sure he will also be well taken care of by them. I have no doubts a real fund will find its way to the EVE community and we can humbly contribute to the life of someone who has touched us all in our virtual adventures.

Also, CCP getting directly involved in something like this becomes political with religious undertones as well, which I think is absolutely stupid; but inevitably stupidity begets stupidity. Although courage is the more valorous value.

Please don't twist my words, thanks.

Where I am.
Jake Maverick
X11 Assault and Recon
#32 - 2012-09-12 14:30:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Maverick
Bloodpetal wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


So, you are saying that it's OK if 5 EVE Players died simultaneously in the same incident.

And being mentioned in Press Releases by name by Hillary Clinton, the Sec. of State ?

Nah.....just an ordinary passing. Nothing to see here. Evil


I'm saying that when you have a national disaster in a country such as Haiti, Japan, and so forth where millions of lives are affected and completely disrupted, that something like PLEX4HAITI feels a lot more provocative.

I don't know that much about how the US Government takes care of employees lost in the line of fire like this, but I am sure he will also be well taken care of by them.

Also, CCP getting directly involved in something like this becomes political with religious undertones as well, which I think is absolutely stupid; but inevitably stupidity begets stupidity. Although courage is the more valorous value.

Please don't twist my words, thanks.


The US gov't will of course take care of the family. That's one of my countries few redeeming qualities. This is not about relieving Hardship, this is about solidarity with the family.

Look at it this way, He used his time in life to impact our game and the way we make isk, at the expense of time he could have been with his family.

We have an opportunity to reverse the equation, and turn the Time we spend in game, into support for his family at the expense of isk

By doing so we show his family, in a way that matters in real life (not just pixels on a server) that we support them and honor his memory.

CCP says Eve is real... let's help them put our isk where their mouth is.

Finally, as for religious/political implications. We all understand if this will prevent CCP from getting involved. Everyone knows a company cannot afford to have a public political opinion... But until they let us know their stance we will continue to ask :D
Generals4
#33 - 2012-09-12 14:32:47 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Atedar Kerane wrote:
Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.

Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track.
This proposal is way off



While OP's idea comes from a nice feeling I have to agree with Atedar.
It would be a better mark of respect from our community if that isk/money could be used for a special mark of respect for Sean.
I'm still in such disgust of this horrible news I can't think of anything meaningful enough representing the values of this great man.


I have to agree as well. In my opinion money is extremely impersonal and such doesn't really express sympathy. A much better gesture in this situation would some kind of mail in tribute to VR with thousands of EVE members signing it. (or some kind of gift funded by plex)

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Qorvis Communications
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-09-12 14:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Qorvis Communications
I think this is a wonderful sentiment, but outside the scope of traditional PLEX drives, which are generally focused on large scale disasters and helping people in distress. This situation, while tragic, does not rise to that level. Further, as US Foreign Service employees they will be reasonably well insured and compensated. I don't think his family will go hungry or have to suffer the elements.

I can't express how happy it makes me feel to see the EVE community pull together so quickly. It's always nice to be reminded that the guy shooting at you in the game would, in real life, risk his life for you or help you in your time of need.
Tahm Cruise
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-09-12 14:34:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
*snip*


EDIT: Post edited awaiting complete moderation - ISD Type40.
Anslo
Scope Works
#36 - 2012-09-12 14:35:44 UTC
Scooter McCabe wrote:
I believe the press release stated he had children, you want to do something, do a college fund for the kids.


Confirmed idea, best idea.

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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#37 - 2012-09-12 14:45:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
*snip*


EDIT: Post edited awaiting proper moderation - ISD Type40.

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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#38 - 2012-09-12 14:46:51 UTC
Jake Maverick wrote:

Now his Family is without him, who is to say how they will get by without him? Don't we owe his family a debt?


No. We owe them nothing. We owe him nothing. May be perceived as harsh, but it's true. If people want to donate to make themselves feel better then that's an individual choice, but don't play the debt/guilt card.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Jake Maverick
X11 Assault and Recon
#39 - 2012-09-12 14:47:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Tahm Cruise wrote:
*snip*


His Eve actions have no bearing on what kind of a man he was in real life. Eve is a game where behind the mask of the anonymous we do w/e we want for the sake of the game. Without folks to do this kind of thing the game would stagnate and be uninteresting as there is only BARELY a story line to follow. we write the story and the story needs villains, You cannot hold someone accountable IRL for things they do in a game, so even if he DID do any of those things.. it means nothing to me.

What matters is that when it comes down to life outside the magic internet spaceship box he was a good man serving his country and our community. FOR THAT and for that alone, we honor his memory.

If you need an example of why internet spaceships don't actually matter... Look at the second response to this thread... I am HBC, and a member of -A- (we are -10 to each other) was the first guy to pledge support regardless of what we would do to each other inside eves mechanics. This is the kind of thing that helps me keep my faith in humanity, in the face of Embassies being bombed...

Please remember to separate spaceships from life, for your own sanity's sake :)


EDIT: My apologies for the intrusion, I had to moderate that quote. I shall leave the rest of your post intact however - ISD Type40.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2012-09-12 14:50:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jake Maverick wrote:
Don't we owe his family a debt?
No.
But that's why it would be a meaningful gesture: because it's not some automatic repayment of dues owed, but done out of respect for him and as a statement in his memory.


This.

I would like to donate if possible.

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