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New Craze That Id Like To Know It It's Considered An Exploit.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#61 - 2012-09-11 20:09:22 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Which is my point: people that are doing this don't do anything as reasonable as using a drag bubble with a dozen decloak cans. The tactic really isn't very effective until you're pretty far over the "I'm a ****" line and deserve your warning/ban.

Ed: BTW, the fact that Roth and Copa got warnings/bans for it tells me all I need to know about how they were set up.

Then people gonna get warnings & bans. Just because it's against the rules doesn't mean everyone cares... look at the RMTers, mining botters, and the market bots... If they want to risk their account that's their business. For everyone else you can file a petition.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-09-11 20:21:55 UTC
If that's not a viable tactic then we need an alternative.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-09-11 20:21:58 UTC
LilRemmy wrote:
Had a GM contact a fleet member saying that it is an exploit, half a year ago, the "dirty bubble" is not allowed. I have yet to hear a GM say otherwise in regards to this, so since that happened I never do the dirty bubbles anymore, to decloak people. From my understanding it was because of increased lag regardless if intent and result is just to decloak ships. I believe that rule is still in effect, but I have yet had the opportunity to be the victim to it and petition it, just had someone petition the people I flew with back then.

But it made sense to me that it is considered an exploit and not allowed, even if just because of lag, it does come across as circumventing intended game mechanics.


It depends which GM you get. One of the Senior GM's has mentioned this a few times. It's what happens when you outsource the positions to random companies that know nothing about the product that they are providing the service for.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#64 - 2012-09-11 20:32:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If that's not a viable tactic then we need an alternative.


Get an interceptor and learn to use it. Get a drag bubble and learn to strategically place debris instead of just spamming the **** out of a gate with hundreds or thousands of drones.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-09-11 20:38:00 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If that's not a viable tactic then we need an alternative.


Get an interceptor and learn to use it. Get a drag bubble and learn to strategically place debris instead of just spamming the **** out of a gate with hundreds or thousands of drones.

-Liang

Drag bubble doesn't exactly work in lowsec though, does it?

And again from the perspective of someone who flies cloaky T3s through camps all the time, even those with interceptors really don't have time to respond before I cloak up and warp away.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#66 - 2012-09-11 20:46:36 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The only related explot is to fill the grid with so much junk that it starts to affect the server and cause incoming ships not to load the grid properly. Individual GMs may confuse this with something else, in which case you should escalate it.


Tippia confusing what some not fully trained GM's think with what actually is allowed. :o


To be honest this topic comes up quite often. The bans people have gotten for drone spawning or can spawning suggests that it is not allowed to fabricate your own bubbles in low sec or high sec. Since there are no bubbles in low sec/hig sec, this should give you a hint.

Ah thanks for pointing out Tippias mistake. I am sure she will apologize for her mistake post haste.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#67 - 2012-09-11 20:49:41 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Ah thanks for pointing out Tippias mistake. I am sure she will apologize for her mistake post haste.

…yes, especially now that someone has dug up the official response that says what I was saying. Lol
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#68 - 2012-09-11 21:14:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Drag bubble doesn't exactly work in lowsec though, does it?

And again from the perspective of someone who flies cloaky T3s through camps all the time, even those with interceptors really don't have time to respond before I cloak up and warp away.


I guess maybe low sec isn't meant to have the win-tackle buttons that you're used to from null sec.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-09-11 21:26:47 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
...and this is why ppl dont go into lowsec. not even a cloaky can escape Roll


In three years of playing this game I have seen this tactic 5-6 times, only in high and null sec I have yet to see one in lowsec.

The LULZ Boat.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#70 - 2012-09-11 21:29:00 UTC
Garreth Vlox wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
...and this is why ppl dont go into lowsec. not even a cloaky can escape Roll


In three years of playing this game I have seen this tactic 5-6 times, only in high and null sec I have yet to see one in lowsec.


It's really common in Solitude/Aridia.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-09-11 21:32:31 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Drag bubble doesn't exactly work in lowsec though, does it?

And again from the perspective of someone who flies cloaky T3s through camps all the time, even those with interceptors really don't have time to respond before I cloak up and warp away.


I guess maybe low sec isn't meant to have the win-tackle buttons that you're used to from null sec.

-Liang

Roll

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-09-11 21:33:05 UTC
leaving drones on a gate to decloak people a new craze?

:)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#73 - 2012-09-11 21:37:20 UTC
killorbekilled TBE wrote:
leaving drones on a gate to decloak people a new craze?


I've found it comes and goes. People rediscover it and then it's everywhere. Then people start getting warned/banned and it goes away for a while.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#74 - 2012-09-11 22:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
killorbekilled TBE wrote:
leaving drones on a gate to decloak people a new craze?

I think Liang is trying to make everyone think it's an exploit to mitigate the practice.

Using drones, cans, bodies or whatever to decloak people is not an exploit unless it causes lag.

The rule is one line ^

Signatures should be used responsibly...
LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-09-11 23:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: LilRemmy
Mallak Azaria wrote:
LilRemmy wrote:
Had a GM contact a fleet member saying that it is an exploit, half a year ago, the "dirty bubble" is not allowed. I have yet to hear a GM say otherwise in regards to this, so since that happened I never do the dirty bubbles anymore, to decloak people. From my understanding it was because of increased lag regardless if intent and result is just to decloak ships. I believe that rule is still in effect, but I have yet had the opportunity to be the victim to it and petition it, just had someone petition the people I flew with back then.

But it made sense to me that it is considered an exploit and not allowed, even if just because of lag, it does come across as circumventing intended game mechanics.


It depends which GM you get. One of the Senior GM's has mentioned this a few times. It's what happens when you outsource the positions to random companies that know nothing about the product that they are providing the service for.



Seems that you are allowed judging by this thread, I guess I will start doing it again sometime Big smile

I will just have to remember to escalate tickets by bad GM's I guess.

PS: I wont do more than 50 drones however, ever Lol that amount spam says it all, back then we got warned for dropping 20 drones I think.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#76 - 2012-09-11 23:05:32 UTC
Gogela wrote:
killorbekilled TBE wrote:
leaving drones on a gate to decloak people a new craze?

I think Liang is trying to make everyone think it's an exploit to mitigate the practice.

Using drones, cans, bodies or whatever to decloak people is not an exploit unless it causes lag.

The rule is one line ^


Yes, using drones, cans, bodies, ships, or whatever to decloak people is not an exploit. The only problem is that the practice in question isn't effective without leaving enough of them to cause lag.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#77 - 2012-09-11 23:21:48 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Gogela wrote:
killorbekilled TBE wrote:
leaving drones on a gate to decloak people a new craze?

I think Liang is trying to make everyone think it's an exploit to mitigate the practice.

Using drones, cans, bodies or whatever to decloak people is not an exploit unless it causes lag.

The rule is one line ^


Yes, using drones, cans, bodies, ships, or whatever to decloak people is not an exploit. The only problem is that the practice in question isn't effective without leaving enough of them to cause lag.

Than the problem, Liang, is that we fundamentally disagree. I've found it to be effective enough.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#78 - 2012-09-12 00:13:51 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Than the problem, Liang, is that we fundamentally disagree. I've found it to be effective enough.


You should start spamming your drone clouds everywhere and see how long it takes you to get a warning/ban.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#79 - 2012-09-12 00:27:21 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Than the problem, Liang, is that we fundamentally disagree. I've found it to be effective enough.

You should start spamming your drone clouds everywhere and see how long it takes you to get a warning/ban.

I would never get one because I don't cause lag when I spam clouds of anything. ...but I will dirty up my bubbles... you bet.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#80 - 2012-09-12 00:30:15 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Than the problem, Liang, is that we fundamentally disagree. I've found it to be effective enough.

You should start spamming your drone clouds everywhere and see how long it takes you to get a warning/ban.

I would never get one because I don't cause lag when I spam clouds of anything. ...but I will dirty up my bubbles... you bet.


Putting a few cans around your bubble isn't what this thread is about. This thread is about people making bubbles of drones. Go make some low sec drone bubbles and let's see how long you're able to keep playing.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.