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New Craze That Id Like To Know It It's Considered An Exploit.

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Mystic Sphinx
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-09-11 13:57:41 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
EvE uni PvP?

LOL

What a joke.


There kill board says otherwise to your derision.

Anyway, aside form that, thank you to all, it is considered an exploit and is refereed to as a *dirty* bubble

Ill be filling a petition soon enough :)
Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-09-11 14:46:22 UTC
As far as i know it's not an exploit unless it negatively impacts upon server performance.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-09-11 14:46:58 UTC
The only related explot is to fill the grid with so much junk that it starts to affect the server and cause incoming ships not to load the grid properly. Individual GMs may confuse this with something else, in which case you should escalate it.
Dennis Gregs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-09-11 14:57:11 UTC
Nice try OP.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#25 - 2012-09-11 14:57:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The only related explot is to fill the grid with so much junk that it starts to affect the server and cause incoming ships not to load the grid properly. Individual GMs may confuse this with something else, in which case you should escalate it.


Tippia confusing what some not fully trained GM's think with what actually is allowed. :o


To be honest this topic comes up quite often. The bans people have gotten for drone spawning or can spawning suggests that it is not allowed to fabricate your own bubbles in low sec or high sec. Since there are no bubbles in low sec/hig sec, this should give you a hint.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-09-11 15:13:54 UTC
I frequently use jet cans to decloak people on gates. This is a valid strategy that tons of people across EVE use, never heard of anyone getting in trouble for it. I have heard of people getting in trouble for trying to cause server lag with drones/shuttles/jet cans etc., but I thought that all went the way of the dinosaur with TiDi.

During the 'Burn Jita' event hosted by the Goons, the very very first thing they did was unload 1000's of empty shuttles in space all around Jita 4-4. I petitioned it, and never heard anything about it. So if anyone gets in trouble for any amount of objects in space in today's TiDi EVE, well that's total double standards.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#27 - 2012-09-11 15:19:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The only related explot is to fill the grid with so much junk that it starts to affect the server and cause incoming ships not to load the grid properly. Individual GMs may confuse this with something else, in which case you should escalate it.


Confirming that a high percentage of GMs do not agree with you. Some clarity on this issue would be nice.

Personally I think the "best" solution would be to allow it, but to introduce a repulsion effect between unanchored objects less than 10-15Km apart, such that they move awy from each other at a speed proportional to their proximity (eg: 2 objects 1Km apart move away from each other at 15m/s, 2 objects 15Km apart move at 1m/s). But that would be computationally expensive, alas.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2012-09-11 15:20:42 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:

Tippia confusing what some not fully trained GM's think with what actually is allowed. :o
No. Poorly trained GMs confusing what they think with what we've been explicitly told for close to a decade.

Dropping stuff to deckoak people has always been ok; straining the servers and intentionslly causing lag has always been bad.
TRUE ZER0
SILENT INC
#29 - 2012-09-11 15:23:52 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The only related explot is to fill the grid with so much junk that it starts to affect the server and cause incoming ships not to load the grid properly. Individual GMs may confuse this with something else, in which case you should escalate it.


Tippia confusing what some not fully trained GM's think with what actually is allowed. :o


To be honest this topic comes up quite often. The bans people have gotten for drone spawning or can spawning suggests that it is not allowed to fabricate your own bubbles in low sec or high sec. Since there are no bubbles in low sec/hig sec, this should give you a hint.


To be honest, it's all about who you are and who you know. Lap dogs get rewarded. Me I get banned for logging on twice in the same day.
Ensign X
#30 - 2012-09-11 15:47:16 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
EvE uni PvP?

LOL

What a joke.


Funny, right?

And yet, your 21 kills this month wouldn't even land you on their Top 10 for this month so far.

Not so funny anymore.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2012-09-11 15:59:08 UTC
AFAIK it has always been considered an exploit. Submit a petition to GM's to have the gate cleared or ship re-imbursed if you lost it due to this.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#32 - 2012-09-11 16:03:26 UTC
I received two formal warnings for this tactic and then had an account temp-banned.
So yes, it's an exploit.

I pestered the GM as to why exactly, the official stance seems to be that it's not technically an exploit unless it 'creates lag', and all a GM needs is anecdotal evidence to determine you are 'creating lag'

ie it goes like this:
1) You setup awesome camp and crush cloaky assholes legitimately
2) Cloaky ******* petitions his loss and says he died before loading grid due to 'drone lag'
3) Your camp is now illegitimate
4) Your drones are despawned by GM and you are given formal warning
5) You argue the point and remake your camp and then your first account gets temp banned and your alt gets a formal warning.


or at least in my experience anyway

There should be a rather awesome pic here
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-09-11 16:05:17 UTC
As someone who flies cloakies all the time, I wouldn't file for reimbursement if I lost a ship to this. I see it as a legitimate counter to my tactic. There's no reason it should be considered an exploit.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Aren Dar
EVE University
Ivy League
#34 - 2012-09-11 16:20:03 UTC
From flying through the area a few times, I suspect it isn't actually the UNI, but this corp here:

http://evewho.com/corp/Unicorn+Enterprise

Their ticker is .UNI.

As for it being an exploit - if you traverse systems that are regularly gatecamped, you'll notice that the gatecampers tend to leave all the wrecks/corpses around for just this kind of effect. As Tippia says above, massive amounts of objects to slow down grid loading would be an exploit, just having a few objects around generally won't be - though you may encounter a GM who hasn't been trained properly.
Ensign X
#35 - 2012-09-11 16:22:19 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
As someone who flies cloakies all the time, I wouldn't file for reimbursement if I lost a ship to this. I see it as a legitimate counter to my tactic. There's no reason it should be considered an exploit.


I've lost ships to this tactic and didn't file a petition, but the debris camps I've run into were intelligently and strategically set-up to decloak without overwhelming the grid to the point of lag.

OTOH, I've run into debris camps that were just simply jettisoned crap and drones all over the place that did lag the grid and despite not losing my ship to them, I did petition those until they were removed.

Intentionally creating lag should never be a valid tactic and should always be considered an exploit.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-09-11 17:05:12 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
As someone who flies cloakies all the time, I wouldn't file for reimbursement if I lost a ship to this. I see it as a legitimate counter to my tactic. There's no reason it should be considered an exploit.


I've lost ships to this tactic and didn't file a petition, but the debris camps I've run into were intelligently and strategically set-up to decloak without overwhelming the grid to the point of lag.

OTOH, I've run into debris camps that were just simply jettisoned crap and drones all over the place that did lag the grid and despite not losing my ship to them, I did petition those until they were removed.

Intentionally creating lag should never be a valid tactic and should always be considered an exploit.

Yeah, I should clarify that I meant using strategically placed objects for decloak, not for using the objects to cause lag. That I have a problem with.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#37 - 2012-09-11 17:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
I've seen people banned over this, and every time I've petitioned it a GM has wiped the gate and warned the people that did it.

-Liang

Ed: Note that this is different than strategically placed items for decloaking. It's the mass drone/can spam that causes it. It's the same reason we aren't allowed to anchor hundreds of GSCs around high sec gates and make bubble art.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#38 - 2012-09-11 17:11:03 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
I received two formal warnings for this tactic and then had an account temp-banned.
So yes, it's an exploit.

I pestered the GM as to why exactly, the official stance seems to be that it's not technically an exploit unless it 'creates lag', and all a GM needs is anecdotal evidence to determine you are 'creating lag'

ie it goes like this:
1) You setup awesome camp and crush cloaky assholes legitimately
2) Cloaky ******* petitions his loss and says he died before loading grid due to 'drone lag'
3) Your camp is now illegitimate
4) Your drones are despawned by GM and you are given formal warning
5) You argue the point and remake your camp and then your first account gets temp banned and your alt gets a formal warning.


or at least in my experience anyway


Confirming this is in fact how it actually works. I have a 100% success ratio getting people warned/banned and the camp dismantled.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#39 - 2012-09-11 17:14:36 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi,

The best way to find out if something is considered an exploit is to raise a petition with the GM's

Thanks and fly safe!


That's the official way - which is blatantly stupid. If one person has such a question - 100's more want to know as well.. So sure, clog up the overloaded petition system when one simple reply in GD can cover thousands of pilots.
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
#40 - 2012-09-11 17:15:05 UTC
Greetings

Really? Since when is free stuff an exploit. Get your haulers out and loot. Thats like saying the wreaks left behind on gate after a fleet battle are an exploit. Waaaiiiittt a second this is a troll right?

east

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