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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#341 - 2012-09-11 17:30:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
especially given how easy it is to avoid being blown up.


Ever tried to warp away in a freighter that's been webbed and scrambled?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#342 - 2012-09-11 17:34:47 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


Ever tried to warp away in a freighter that's been webbed and scrambled?


Nope. But then again my frieghter never carriers enough to be worth gankingBlink
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#343 - 2012-09-11 17:46:20 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
especially given how easy it is to avoid being blown up.
Ever tried to warp away in a freighter that's been webbed and scrambled?
You don't really need thatt as was proved already in the OP gank report. The freighter was bumped away from the gate and them more time so it would never be able to finish aligning to any warpable location. You are just not running away at the speed a freighter can go by slowboating faster than the cruiser so a web is not really usefull.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#344 - 2012-09-11 17:48:06 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
especially given how easy it is to avoid being blown up.


Ever tried to warp away in a freighter that's been webbed and scrambled?


Pirates almost never scram a freighter as all that does is summon CONCORD early. Without scrams, webs make you align and enter warp faster so they're actually a benefit, and a quite common defensive tactic. You really don't know what you're talking about do you?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#345 - 2012-09-11 18:18:19 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
this is why we all joined after watching all those trailers


Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system.


Alright, go to Amarr and undock a fully tanked Damnation with 30 PLEX in the hold and see how long you last.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#346 - 2012-09-11 18:23:18 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
this is why we all joined after watching all those trailers


Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system.


Alright, go to Amarr and undock a fully tanked Damnation with 30 PLEX in the hold and see how long you last.


Isn't that only 15 bill in cargo? The freighter had 21 no?
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#347 - 2012-09-11 18:44:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system.


Does a Sleipnir in a 0.9 count? Cause we got that ******* twice in as many days.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13909488
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13932803

(yes I know we didn't alpha him, and had the luxury of a war dec. I just like those mails cause he was dumb.)
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#348 - 2012-09-11 19:32:36 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Does a Sleipnir in a 0.9 count? Cause we got that ******* twice in as many days.


PvE fit and not enough EHP.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#349 - 2012-09-11 19:40:05 UTC
Mohamad Transporte wrote:
just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!

21.5 Billion isk people!!!!

that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!

if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game

u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp...



This rage is meaningless with also citing the costs of the gank.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#350 - 2012-09-11 19:48:12 UTC
unloadedx16 wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14561092

It took 6 Talos to gank a Freighter in highsec 0.5. That's less than half the cost of the Freighter. I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me. A ship with no fitting slots with a sole purpose of transporting goods should be able to tank at least it's own hulls worth of ganker isk.

Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence. Sometimes slight balance changes are needed people.

Oh hey look, someone else who bases their argument on "cost should = tank".

Please note how if I mission in highsec with a Tengu fitted for fighting against Guristas and I maximize my DPS by fitting BCS with no damage control, I have literally 0% EM and 50% explosive resist. This comes out to about 13k EHP vs. EMP ammo.

4 gank fit thrashers could easy take this down. We're talking about a setup here that's less than a twentieth the cost of the ship. This isn't a rare exception either, there are indeed Tengus doing this, as well as other expensive ships flying about with resist holes doing missions.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#351 - 2012-09-11 20:30:10 UTC
ccp why can't I fit plex to my ship slots?
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#352 - 2012-09-11 20:41:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
The final rub of it all is that the adversity other players supply gives your accomplishments meaning, and your fortune value. Without the infuriating, the evolving, and the unpredictable nature of non-consensual PVP then PVE is reduced to a well decorated Skinner box of rote behaviors in which you are forced to push buttons for virtual food pellets.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#353 - 2012-09-11 20:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
unloadedx16 wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14561092

It took 6 Talos to gank a Freighter in highsec 0.5. That's less than half the cost of the Freighter.
In other words, it's working very nicely.

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I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me.
Indeed. It really shouldn't be that expensive. After all, my 7bn JF only requires 1.5bn or so worth of ships — that's a 5:1 ratio, which is much more reasonable, if still a bit on the low side.

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Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence..
The evidence points towards the pilot being stupid. This problem is not a matter of balance.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#354 - 2012-09-11 20:57:21 UTC
I'm still trying to figure out why Jorma is so obsessed with gankers wasting their ISK ganking Combat ships with ridiculous buffers. Is he saying, "Gank that, and then I'll be impressed?" Why, because that is 'fair'? You really aren't making any sense at all. Roll

I mean, if we want to speculate on pointless activities, why not just figure out how many Tornados it takes to bring down the Veldnaught. At least that would be worthy of a mention on themittani.com, the hottest source for current EVE news and information.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#355 - 2012-09-11 21:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Buck Futz wrote:

I mean, if we want to speculate on pointless activities, why not just figure out how many Tornados it takes to bring down the Veldnaught. At least that would be worthy of a mention on themittani.com, the hottest source for current EVE news and information.


Chribba is such a nice guy that even we didn't gank him when he flew through one of our instalocking gate camp on the amar-agil pipe.

I see you guys aren't as sentimental http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9116014
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#356 - 2012-09-11 21:21:06 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
The final rub of it all is that the adversity other players supply gives your accomplishments meaning, and your fortune value. Without the infuriating, the evolving, and the unpredictable nature of non-consensual PVP then PVE is reduced to a well decorated Skinner box of rote behaviors in which you are forced to push buttons for virtual food pellets.

exactly

solo pilot your freighter across a highsec region and see handfuls of neutrals as you pass by - boring, ccp make flying a freighter actually fun >:'(

solo pilot your freighter across null or lowsec and see handfuls of neutrals as you pass by - you'll be telling other gamers the story long after eve shuts down.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#357 - 2012-09-11 21:45:41 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Buck Futz wrote:

I mean, if we want to speculate on pointless activities, why not just figure out how many Tornados it takes to bring down the Veldnaught. At least that would be worthy of a mention on themittani.com, the hottest source for current EVE news and information.


Chribba is such a nice guy that even we didn't gank him when he flew through one of our instalocking gate camp on the amar-agil pipe.

I see you guys aren't as sentimental http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9116014


What a bunch of sissies.
Tiger Would
Doomheim
#358 - 2012-09-11 21:47:05 UTC
Mohamad Transporte wrote:
just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!

21.5 Billion isk people!!!!

that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!

if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game

u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp...


How mos unfohtunate.
Canna I intwest you in a few new fweighters foh special pwice?

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#359 - 2012-09-11 22:22:33 UTC
how about not making it viable for them to gank your freighter by moving less valuble stuff at once?

stop expecting game mechanics to change because your lazy
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#360 - 2012-09-11 23:32:48 UTC
So......what people have been doing since they realized that freighter pilots existed will suddenly kill the game?



Wat.