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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#321 - 2012-09-11 15:16:45 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

So simply don't allow cargo expanders to be able to be fit to freighters. Though they will make themselves even slower and more easy of a target so...that only hurts the ones who choose not to fit a tank.

…or, much simpler, just accept that the tank is inherent in the ship and that it doesn't particularly need any more. If you have to start changing things that aren't related to the problem you're trying to solve, chances are that the problem is more invented than real.

Freighters have a massive tank as it is. The solution is to make use of it and not strain it by trying to protect more than it can protect.
Ghazu
#322 - 2012-09-11 15:18:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

So simply don't allow cargo expanders to be able to be fit to freighters. Though they will make themselves even slower and more easy of a target so...that only hurts the ones who choose not to fit a tank.

…or, much simpler, just accept that the tank is inherent in the ship and that it doesn't particularly need any more. If you have to start changing things that aren't related to the problem you're trying to solve, chances are that the problem is more invented than real.

Freighters have a massive tank as it is. The solution is to make use of it and not strain it by trying to protect more than it can protect.

Theory crafting with dumb people is futile and not recommended.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#323 - 2012-09-11 15:18:21 UTC
Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him
unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#324 - 2012-09-11 15:25:05 UTC
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14561092

It took 6 Talos to gank a Freighter in highsec 0.5. That's less than half the cost of the Freighter. I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me. A ship with no fitting slots with a sole purpose of transporting goods should be able to tank at least it's own hulls worth of ganker isk.

Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence. Sometimes slight balance changes are needed people.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#325 - 2012-09-11 15:26:54 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system.


I'm sorry, I'm running high sec interdiction on enemy logistics in two nullsec wars, flying in regularly nullsec fleet ops, running a nullsec PI setup and a High Sec manufacturing operation, ganking hulks, helping destroy more than 620 billion in freighters, still getting into small gang PVP brawls regularly, while ratting to keep my sec status up, and all on three characters on one account that is less than a year old. Are you not entertained?
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#326 - 2012-09-11 15:27:49 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

So simply don't allow cargo expanders to be able to be fit to freighters. Though they will make themselves even slower and more easy of a target so...that only hurts the ones who choose not to fit a tank.

…or, much simpler, just accept that the tank is inherent in the ship and that it doesn't particularly need any more. If you have to start changing things that aren't related to the problem you're trying to solve, chances are that the problem is more invented than real.

Freighters have a massive tank as it is. The solution is to make use of it and not strain it by trying to protect more than it can protect.

Theory crafting with dumb people is futile and not recommended.


:)
Name calling, how cute and mature of you.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#327 - 2012-09-11 15:29:35 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him


I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :)
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#328 - 2012-09-11 15:30:23 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

So simply don't allow cargo expanders to be able to be fit to freighters. Though they will make themselves even slower and more easy of a target so...that only hurts the ones who choose not to fit a tank.

…or, much simpler, just accept that the tank is inherent in the ship and that it doesn't particularly need any more. If you have to start changing things that aren't related to the problem you're trying to solve, chances are that the problem is more invented than real.

Freighters have a massive tank as it is. The solution is to make use of it and not strain it by trying to protect more than it can protect.


You're right. :)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#329 - 2012-09-11 15:30:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system.


I'm sorry, I'm running high sec interdiction on enemy logistics in two nullsec wars, flying in regularly nullsec fleet ops, running a nullsec PI setup and a High Sec manufacturing operation, ganking hulks, helping destroy more than 620 billion in freighters, still getting into small gang PVP brawls regularly, while ratting to keep my sec status up, and all on three characters on one account that is less than a year old. Are you not entertained?


Thats it, now I not only feel like a noob but a slacking one too.
Ghazu
#330 - 2012-09-11 15:35:22 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him


I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :)

You do mine there. Leave.
Also putting forth your opinions anecdotal analogies and emotes without any coherent arguments is well, dumb.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#331 - 2012-09-11 15:35:26 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Thats it, now I not only feel like a noob but a slacking one too.


Honestly, I wouldn't be able to do it without the infrastructure, support, and knowledge of my alliance mates in the CFC. Say what you will about us goons, but we treat our newbies very well and are very good at showing them the ropes.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#332 - 2012-09-11 15:41:47 UTC
unloadedx16 wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14561092

It took 6 Talos to gank a Freighter in highsec 0.5. That's less than half the cost of the Freighter. I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me. A ship with no fitting slots with a sole purpose of transporting goods should be able to tank at least it's own hulls worth of ganker isk.

Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence. Sometimes slight balance changes are needed people.


While I feel freighters should be a bit more flexible to create strategy and uncertainty, yes you are the only one seeing something wrong there. The freighter pilot had several options at their disposal to avoid that situation, and in fact several of his compatriots made it safely to their destination. Undoubtedly they appreciated the increased profits created by the demand he could not fill.

Also you're underestimating the cost of the fully fit Talos which would have had to be T2 with good skills to be successful with those numbers.
Ghazu
#333 - 2012-09-11 15:42:24 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
this is why we all joined after watching all those trailers


Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system.

I've been trying but can't seem to scan any that's blinged out enough to worth the :effort:

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#334 - 2012-09-11 15:43:50 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him


I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :)

You do mine there. Leave.
Also putting forth your opinions anecdotal analogies and emotes without any coherent arguments is well, dumb.


Come to the system and see how often I mine... getting tired of listening to how wrong your information is. I expected more from you...but you've let me down :(
Your obsession with me is flattering though :)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#335 - 2012-09-11 15:44:12 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Thats it, now I not only feel like a noob but a slacking one too.


Honestly, I wouldn't be able to do it without the infrastructure, support, and knowledge of my alliance mates in the CFC. Say what you will about us goons, but we treat our newbies very well and are very good at showing them the ropes.


Your reps seems to be blowns out of proportion yes. At least accourding the the very few discussion I had with people from your side of the fence. Human ressources division are even helpfull to outsiders. A damn shame you are all put into a basked of terrible person.

On topic : How often does it need to be repeated? If you carry over a certain treshold of value, you become a good target. The cargo hold of freighter is big because some stuff are bulky. It does not mean anything you can fit inside of it is supposed to be secure in high sec. Should I go around hauling 12k m3 worth of T2 BPO because they fit in my **** fit badger 2? It fit and I am in high sec right?
Ghazu
#336 - 2012-09-11 15:55:58 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him


I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :)

You do mine there. Leave.
Also putting forth your opinions anecdotal analogies and emotes without any coherent arguments is well, dumb.


Come to the system and see how often I mine... getting tired of listening to how wrong your information is. I expected more from you...but you've let me down :(
Your obsession with me is flattering though :)

Yeah, your posting is that bad, but fascinating. Stay out of the rookie systems do you understand?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#337 - 2012-09-11 15:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Akari
You guys have failed the escort mission, the freighter pilot failed the courier mission and the offensive team succeeded the mission.

Try the mission again but this time get more intel and use a good escort/scout team.





Scout Pilot jumps to next system: "Hey guys, there over 40 goon players here in local"
Freighter replies: "that's cool, they won't catch me" and jumps.
Escort team: "Let's make the freighter jump first ok?, I don't wanna lose my frigate"
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#338 - 2012-09-11 16:10:48 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him


I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :)

You do mine there. Leave.
Also putting forth your opinions anecdotal analogies and emotes without any coherent arguments is well, dumb.


Come to the system and see how often I mine... getting tired of listening to how wrong your information is. I expected more from you...but you've let me down :(
Your obsession with me is flattering though :)

Stay out of the rookie systems do you understand?


lol :)
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#339 - 2012-09-11 16:32:51 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
I've been trying but can't seem to scan any that's blinged out enough to worth the :effort:


It's worth it. Especially if you buy those Nados from me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#340 - 2012-09-11 17:26:47 UTC
The levels of self entitalment by the superbears in this thread is horrible, especially given how easy it is to avoid being blown up.