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Zim, you forgot to switch characters.

I did not.

Issler

(in case you haven't caught on yet, it's a new mini-meme)

You keep arguing like the job of CSM members is to push for this portion of the population or that population depending on who voted them into office. Read the white paper. Our obligation is to represent the playerbase, not special interests, to CCP.

So instead of trying to categorize everyone and label us as lobbyists for one party or another, why don't you take a deep breath, and start over by explaining why you don't think 0.0 deserves attention after several years of neglect? Maybe you can also explain why the CSM as a whole would need to push FW when CCP's already agreed to work on it, and they get expert council from myself (and making unprecedented use of my feedback as well)? Where is the sense of urgency where the CSM needs to waste their unanimous voice promoting something that's already happening?

Do you think its responsible for CCP to spend an entire year working on something that affects a small portion of the population, when they could be fixing an area of space that affects multiple times that many players and subcriptions and potential subscriptions? Surely these are tough questions for other Faction Warfare enthusiasts to hear from someone like myself, but we have to be honest with ourselves here. Don't get me wrong - I'm incredibly grateful that they dedicated the resources they have to Faction Warfare and other gameplay systems that affect lowsec. I believe they were dollars well-spent. But CCP needs to spend a well rounded amount of time on a well rounded number of players groups - and its just simply fact that 0.0 pilots have received some of the least development attention of any for years now.

These are objective issues - how much development time has been spent on which area of space is easily researched and demonstrated. You continued attempts to politicize this and turn it into "these people" sticking up for "that group" demonstrate either a lack of understanding or a lack of care for the responsibilities of the CSM - who get elected through votes but should always serve the needs of the community and the game as a whole.

Nullsec needs serious work. Mining and Industry need serious work. POS's need serious work. These really aren't facts that are debated much amongst savvy, informed players who understand the game at its core. And thus we must make these realities clear to CCP, regardless of what player group we belong to.

Issler

First very nice closing tag and you worry about other people labeling you.


So lets start this train wreck rolling

You said " Our obligation is to represent the playerbase, not special interests, to CCP. "
Yes it is but as you are here to represent the player base doesnt that mean your actions should also be representative of the playerbase? 20% of the players where in Null at the last count, why do you believe it deserves more than 20% of the games resources?

As to your next point "So instead of trying to categorize everyone and label us as lobbyists for one party or another, why don't you take a deep breath, and start over by explaining why you don't think 0.0 deserves attention after several years of neglect?"
Now after so many wasted resources on such a small part of the games population, why do you think more resources should be wasted?

Oh as too "You keep arguing like the job of CSM members is to push for this portion of the population or that population depending on who voted them into office. "
No I don't sorry never have, maybe if you considered reading and thought about things, you would not have to worry about sticking your feet into your mouth.
What I have said is that it is your job to represent the whole player base but that all that ever seems to come out of the CSM is Null sec crap and some rouge agents that actually manage to get other things done, despite the rest of the CSM.

"Do you think its responsible for CCP to spend an entire year working on something that affects a small portion of the population, when they could be fixing an area of space that affects multiple times that many players and subcriptions and potential subscriptions? Surely these are tough questions for other Faction Warfare enthusiasts to hear from someone like myself, but we have to be honest with ourselves here. Don't get me wrong - I'm incredibly grateful that they dedicated the resources they have to Faction Warfare and other gameplay systems that affect lowsec. I believe they were dollars well-spent. But CCP needs to spend a well rounded amount of time on a well rounded number of players groups - and its just simply fact that 0.0 pilots have received some of the least development attention of any for years now. "

Ok on that one I laughed "Do you think its responsible for CCP to spend an entire year working on something that affects a small portion of the population, when they could be fixing an area of space that affects multiple times that many players and subcriptions and potential subscriptions? "

You just argued that you should be working on Hi-sec and Null, lo and Wormholes should not get much as it would be irresponsible.

Next

Whats the matter with running on a platform of ideas? I mean instead of just constantly trying to guage what players are saying most recently and mirror that like the changing winds, why not say if I am elected I will push for x yand z. And then when/if you are elected push for x y and z.

The problem with just parroting what is popular at the instant is that as the game changes so will the playerbase and their views.

CCP can ask the players to take polls and find out what common views of the month are. But that doesn't mean its thought through.

If you don't have a vision for the game, or some aspect of it, why even run? Just to tell ccp what you think the players want, even though you don't do any scientific polls, and therefore just end up telling ccp what your buds want?

How do you get the players to up and downvote each individual issue?

What makes you think that the process would achieve better average representation than asking them to just vote 1x a year?

How do you handle public voting on issues that have to stay confidential?

How exactly does the current system not work?

It has been repeatedly proven that this will hav the exact opposite effect that you intend, essentially you'll just hand all of the CSM to the largest voting bloc, rather than just a couple of seats. One word: ALTS.

The current system is actually the most favourable for minority interests.

EDIT: Unless of course that you're going to propose that CCP audit literally not only each candidate but every vote that's cast in order to make sure that only the "right" peiople can vote. Can you make a business case for the thousands of hours of work that this would take?

Had any thought been given to a constituency type election model? [ Eve map divided into 14 constituencies, boundaries drawn up to ensure equal population via player med clone preference] Not saying this would be easy to implement or preferable over another electoral system, just interested if it was considered.

Has any thought also been given to increasing participation of the electorate in the voting process? I know that participation levels have been steadily increasing, however, is there a case to be made for enforced voting - maybe as part of the logon process?

Again. More voter awareness and education needed.

Reform is fine, if CCP is deadset on that direction, but vacating any work towards increased awareness is not an option.