Jita Park Speakers Corner

Doesn't someone have to second a motion there at the CSM ?

Surely in this new "aire of transparency" we can know who voted for it ?

But ... but ... The Mittani wanted this too!

All right, time for a few words. I'm sure I'll miss a few of the more inventive theories about this but that's fine.

Discussion about 'voting reform' in the CSM were coming up even early on in CSM 6 however, as most here remember, we got a tad distracted by other events. Even so, during the December summit last year we knew this was going to be something which would become a hot topic during the next CSM term. At Fanfest, post-election and pre-Jagerbomb Gate (pick your title), several of us that were on CSM 6 and newly re-elected to CSM 7 were in Islenski Barinn (one of the main bar hangouts) talking to Mittens about this very subject.

CCP hasn't been silent on this either and has very vocally supported the need to have this ~discussion~. The original white paper / CSM charter was 'masterminded' by a very small group of people with no player input. It's not surprising that CCP would want to give the community an opportunity to chime in on if they like the current process or believe it needs to be changed.

So just to be clear, this is not just some CSM 7 initiative.

As of right now, I plan to have the CSM and CCP try to take as much constructive feedback as possible to the December summit and put together a framework that can be refined even further before the CSM 8 elections.

The bottom line for me as Chairman is that, regardless of any tinfoil flying about, this is a discussion that needs to be had and I believe the community should have input on it. If you don't like this initial proposal, counter it with your own and let's see what we can all come up with. I'm not foolish enough to believe that any system will meet with everyone's full approval, but I do believe in making the effort.

This, unless you want to TRY to make voters more aware, that I am okay with.

Gotta call BS on this one, Poe. Mittens and Trebor actually got along very well on CSM 6. They often bounced ideas and statements off each other to great beneficial effect. Saying that Mittens didn't know how to solicit advice or work with the rest of us is wrong. Had Mittens been able to stay on CSM 7, that would have been just fine by most of us as well.

I explained that earlier. Because CCP threw the original system together with no player oversight. Due to discussions over the past couple of years, CCP is open to evolving the system if players believe that needs to happen.



Maybe nothing. Possibly everything. I guess we will find out.

There IS a lot of tinfoil BS in this thread with regard to why this thread exists and I make no apologies for being annoyed by it.

My attitude with regard to the actual discussion of this subject has been anything but dismissive. Just because I'm not doing a point by point on all of the critiques made does not mean I have not read them.

Proposal 1: Don't change anything.

If you're going to insist on change for change's sake, or to avoid "disenfranchising" the people who've voted for the Official Monster Raving Loony Party candidate,

Proposal 2: Single Transferrable Vote. I've even found a GPL python implementation for you, in order to minimise the effort in implementing it.

So, in other words, what you should've done was post a thread asking the players if they wanted the voting changed, and if they had an idea. Instead, you came up with this **** goons/test suggestion.

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That's not what you guys said in the first post. In the first post you guys basically said "hey so guys, goons have organizational advantages and we're going to remove that, here's how we're going to do it".

Do you have a better reason why the system should be changed? Because right now it's either changes specifically to **** with us, or changes just to make changes, neither of which are good reasons.

Yeah Seleene, it's not like some sort of crazy conjecture.
You guys actually said it.