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Dev blog: Singularity, Duality ... Buckingham?

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#101 - 2012-09-09 21:08:22 UTC
Lan Staz wrote:
Salpun wrote:
There has not been a lot of talk about how much CPU load Dust player cause on EVE servers.

Mass tests have shown 1000+ EVE players turn on TIDI very easily on Sisi. The Buckingham test will be restricted to 200 people,i am guessing, becouse of TIDI concerns during the mass tests this coming week.

Dust players have been split up over 12+ EVE systems so far with a max of 3392 players on Sisis last night.

When we get the massive surge of people both EVE and Dust back for the next Dust build on Sisi Will you have to cap the EVE players on the server to let Dust players have the premiam experiance?


AFAIK Dust has its own game servers, located in three datacentres around the world to try and keep latency under control (somthing not so much of an issue for Eve). I presume these Dust game servers connect back to the main Sol and Database servers in London. However, most of the load for Dust will be handled by the dedicated Dust servers, which is (I assume) why SISI can handle several thousand Dust players but starts to fall apart with under 1000 Eve players.

True but is a dust client causing more load then some one sitting in a station or less?

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#102 - 2012-09-09 21:52:46 UTC
It's a really really stupid name. You have causality, chaos, duality, singularity, serenity, and tranquility. Now add Buckingham to the list. Why not call it relativity or something keeping along the name lines?
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#103 - 2012-09-09 21:56:52 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
It's a really really stupid name. You have causality, chaos, duality, singularity, serenity, and tranquility. Now add Buckingham to the list. Why not call it relativity or something keeping along the name lines?

I believe it was called Big Ben for the Dust Alpha testing eaiser for the devs to make it a name that starts with B and they chose Buckingham.

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See you around the universe.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#104 - 2012-09-09 22:18:05 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
It's a really really stupid name. You have causality, chaos, duality, singularity, serenity, and tranquility. Now add Buckingham to the list. Why not call it relativity or something keeping along the name lines?

I believe it was called Big Ben for the Dust Alpha testing eaiser for the devs to make it a name that starts with B and they chose Buckingham.

i think you missed the point of my post being they should rename it to be more in line with the other servers.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#105 - 2012-09-09 22:33:59 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
It's a really really stupid name. You have causality, chaos, duality, singularity, serenity, and tranquility. Now add Buckingham to the list. Why not call it relativity or something keeping along the name lines?

I believe it was called Big Ben for the Dust Alpha testing eaiser for the devs to make it a name that starts with B and they chose Buckingham.

i think you missed the point of my post being they should rename it to be more in line with the other servers.

I got itLol give CCP a name the fits the theme that starts with B they might even change it lol.

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2012-09-09 22:41:10 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Lan Staz wrote:
Salpun wrote:
There has not been a lot of talk about how much CPU load Dust player cause on EVE servers.

Mass tests have shown 1000+ EVE players turn on TIDI very easily on Sisi. The Buckingham test will be restricted to 200 people,i am guessing, becouse of TIDI concerns during the mass tests this coming week.

Dust players have been split up over 12+ EVE systems so far with a max of 3392 players on Sisis last night.

When we get the massive surge of people both EVE and Dust back for the next Dust build on Sisi Will you have to cap the EVE players on the server to let Dust players have the premiam experiance?


AFAIK Dust has its own game servers, located in three datacentres around the world to try and keep latency under control (somthing not so much of an issue for Eve). I presume these Dust game servers connect back to the main Sol and Database servers in London. However, most of the load for Dust will be handled by the dedicated Dust servers, which is (I assume) why SISI can handle several thousand Dust players but starts to fall apart with under 1000 Eve players.

True but is a dust client causing more load then some one sitting in a station or less?


The exact same actully. Even when in a battle. That's happening on it's own grid. The layer that holds communcations, mail and the market are not connected to the battle in any way as far as load goes. There was a really good dev blog on this a while back.... blue net or something CCP is calling it?

But yeah think of it like this. Your character is just datas. There are lots of your character in the world to do different things and none of them increase load on each other.

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-09-10 06:50:25 UTC
Nice!!! finaly there is alot of things going on... I was suffering in this EVE hiatus...

Anyway... I still hope that CCP start to Fix POS soon... they are most needed!!!!

But there are so many nice stuff coming on...

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#108 - 2012-09-10 09:33:51 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
It's a really really stupid name. You have causality, chaos, duality, singularity, serenity, and tranquility. Now add Buckingham to the list. Why not call it relativity or something keeping along the name lines?


DUST have different naming conventions for their servers and we inherited it from them, as the blog says. Also we don't have a server called Causality.

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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#109 - 2012-09-10 09:36:00 UTC
Salpun wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Salpun wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Reading your diagram carefully it says that TQ is EVE's Production Server, and SISI will be Dust514's "Production Server" does that mean LIVE Dust514 games will be happening on the Singularity server only while testing is going on or Singularity will be handling all Dust interactions moving forward after release? Or are you going to have TQ handle Dust when you go into live release? It's just confusing because you used Production Server twice to indicate live releases... Thanks for the answer to the inane question. :)
This is the state of affairs as it is right now. "Soon TM" is looking into the future, but is not the be all and end all of the road ahead.
The concern is that Sisi might not be able to present Dust in the best light after the next release. With all the new code how is sisi handling it?
Sorry you've stumped me - in what way isn't Sisi able to "present DUST in the best light"? What new code are you referring to?


Sorry The question was unclearWhat?

There has not been a lot of talk about how much CPU load Dust player cause on EVE servers.

Mass tests have shown 1000+ EVE players turn on TIDI very easily on Sisi. The Buckingham test will be restricted to 200 people,i am guessing, becouse of TIDI concerns during the mass tests this coming week.

Dust players have been split up over 12+ EVE systems so far with a max of 3392 players on Sisis last night.

When we get the massive surge of people both EVE and Dust back for the next Dust build on Sisi Will you have to cap the EVE players on the server to let Dust players have the premiam experiance?


Buckingham is being restricted to 200 people because of the hardware capabilities of the server. We don't want false positives on performance if we can avoid it. The testing we are doing now is to ensure that neither game impacts the other in a negative way (as well as to ensure solid functionality and catch edge cases of course).

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#110 - 2012-09-10 11:26:33 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:


Reading your diagram carefully it says that TQ is EVE's Production Server, and SISI will be Dust514's "Production Server" does that mean LIVE Dust514 games will be happening on the Singularity server only while testing is going on or Singularity will be handling all Dust interactions moving forward after release? Or are you going to have TQ handle Dust when you go into live release? It's just confusing because you used Production Server twice to indicate live releases...

Thanks for the answer to the inane question. :)



This is the state of affairs as it is right now. "Soon TM" is looking into the future, but is not the be all and end all of the road ahead.


Pssst! All the cool kids know how to do Soon™ with the ™ up in the air where it belongs.


For some info on the proposed ASB changes, I'll tell you that you hold ALT and type 0153 on the numpad to get the superscript ™. :)

Happy Posting!

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#111 - 2012-09-10 11:28:07 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:


Reading your diagram carefully it says that TQ is EVE's Production Server, and SISI will be Dust514's "Production Server" does that mean LIVE Dust514 games will be happening on the Singularity server only while testing is going on or Singularity will be handling all Dust interactions moving forward after release? Or are you going to have TQ handle Dust when you go into live release? It's just confusing because you used Production Server twice to indicate live releases...

Thanks for the answer to the inane question. :)



This is the state of affairs as it is right now. "Soon TM" is looking into the future, but is not the be all and end all of the road ahead.


Pssst! All the cool kids know how to do Soon™ with the ™ up in the air where it belongs.


For some info on the proposed ASB changes, I'll tell you that you hold ALT and type 0153 on the numpad to get the superscript ™. :)

Happy Posting!


Please see Blog where I carried out this flawlessly. Thanks for the effort though Smile

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
SealteamXI
Z-Co.
#112 - 2012-09-10 15:51:49 UTC
So what's going to become of Buckingham in the "SoonTM" diagram?
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#113 - 2012-09-10 15:57:18 UTC
SealteamXI wrote:
So what's going to become of Buckingham in the "SoonTM" diagram?


It will likely just go back into the farm of internal test servers.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Jacob Straven
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-09-10 17:18:32 UTC
Soon™
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#115 - 2012-09-10 17:54:31 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Can we get a hint on the ASB thoughts?


I'll ask Superfriends.


Any update on this? You side-stepped that part of my previous post :)

Or are we waiting for the blog to come out?

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#116 - 2012-09-10 17:57:42 UTC
I hoped there would be a dev blog today but I guess we will have to wait til tomorrow What?

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See you around the universe.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#117 - 2012-09-11 10:07:25 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Can we get a hint on the ASB thoughts?


I'll ask Superfriends.


Any update on this? You side-stepped that part of my previous post :)

Or are we waiting for the blog to come out?


No I just forgot to ask them. My bad! Asking now Smile

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#118 - 2012-09-11 16:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tres Farmer
@goliath.. I think you must be the first and only dev I can remember so far that keeps replying for so long and especially often in a thread following a blog.
Superb work! - 'Dev of the month' if I were in charge. Cool
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#119 - 2012-09-11 16:38:02 UTC
Tres Farmer wrote:
@goliath.. I think you must be the first and only dev I can remember so far that keeps replying for so long and especially often in a thread following a blog.
Superb work! - 'Dev of the month' if I were in charge. Cool


Cheers mate! Comments like this really make my day. Nice to know that the attention is appreciated Big smile

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#120 - 2012-09-11 16:42:24 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Can we get a hint on the ASB thoughts?


I'll ask Superfriends.


Any update on this? You side-stepped that part of my previous post :)

Or are we waiting for the blog to come out?


No I just forgot to ask them. My bad! Asking now Smile


OK I spoke to them and they said they will be making their own thread when the time comes, so no info for you at this time I'm afraid!

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath